Casserly: Brady and Moss had confrontation

Anyone seen this article yet? Makes no sense. Sounds like this guy was a serious head case.

New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick approached Randy Moss about opening negotiations for a contract extension during this summer's training camp but was brushed off by the receiver, who said the parties could talk after the season, according to a report Sunday in the Boston Globe.

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Report: Randy Moss spurned New England Patriots' offer to talk in camp - ESPN Boston

MoVaughn4Prez said:

Anyone seen this article yet? Makes no sense. Sounds like this guy was a serious head case.



Report: Randy Moss spurned New England Patriots' offer to talk in camp - ESPN Boston

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I think Moss was in an absolute terrible situation here in 2010 for himself and it must have been hard. But if this is true, that's just strange. I don't understand why he would brush off something like that. If he did indeed decline talks of an extension that he wanted, then he had a lot to do with his bad situation in 2010.

I'm glad it worked out for him in the end, but if this is true it was definitely a big mistake on his part. Big mistake.

MoVaughn4Prez said:

Anyone seen this article yet? Makes no sense. Sounds like this guy was a serious head case.



Report: Randy Moss spurned New England Patriots' offer to talk in camp - ESPN Boston

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There are also reports saying that Moss couldn't get Kraft to return a phone call when he wanted to talk extension. Sounds like people are printing whatever they hear, at this point.

emoney_33 said:

I think Moss was in an absolute terrible situation here in 2010 for himself and it must have been hard. But if this is true, that's just strange. I don't understand why he would brush off something like that. If he did indeed decline talks of an extension that he wanted, then he had a lot to do with his bad situation in 2010.

I'm glad it worked out for him in the end, but if this is true it was definitely a big mistake on his part. Big mistake.

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No way that report is true. Moss said they haven't even brought up his contract yet.

I don't agree with the ESPN report at all. Like others said, I think the mediots are printing every little thing they hear. As I said before this is just an amicable divorce. Time to move on.

I'm not sure why so many fans seem so determined to see the Moss trade in such black & white terms -- either Moss is a bad guy or a victim, either it was a smart move, or we've given up on the 2010 season.

Is it that the posters here refuse to acknowledge that in the NFL there are no more absolute truths and easy calls as there are in the rest of life, that every personell move is made within the same ambiguous gray-area of indeterminate motives and wisdom as the real-world workplaces the rest of us live in? Or, rather, are the posters equally incapable of recognizing nuance in their day-to-day lives as they are here?

If you can get past the fact that the man wears a dead rat on his head, Casserly is actually a well-informed, reliable and kowledgeable guy. I find it a stretch to believe that the sources of any Brady-Moss argument was the hair/beard thing, but when people are butting heads they can sometimes bring up stupid things in the heat of the moment, which serves to continue the argument. I find it plausible that what happened is they were arguing and there was tension and that was one of the many things that came up.

Teenuh said:

Breaking news: Moss punched Robert Kraft in the face and that was the real reason he was traded.

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you are a cement head:.

Teenuh said:

I'm so tired of hearing all of these 40,000 different rumors being spread about why Moss was traded.

Moss had a confrontation with Bill.

Moss had a confrontation with O'Brien.

Moss had a confrontation with Brady.

Moss was a problem in the locker room.

Moss wanted to be traded even though he said he wanted to stay here.

Blah, blah, blah. So which one is it? I know we need a reason to make Moss the bad guy so we can feel better about him being gone but pick a reason and stick to it. :lol2:

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So you're pretty much in complete denial at this point, eh?

You know what maybe bugs me more than anything? That the specifics of this argument, even if they happened, made it out of the locker room. Who's the rat? While we're talking about Patriots Way, how about how the organization seems to have way more leaks than it used to, especially within the locker room?

I read this... I've a hard time believing that Brady, who's friends with Moss, would ask him to shave his beard. Why not ask him to change his hairstyle. I don't get that one. I've seen Brady with facial hair before so I don't get the point of that. And why would Moss rebuff by telling Brady to cut his hair. Again, this sounds like a non story to me.

BradyFTW! said:

You know what maybe bugs me more than anything? That the specifics of this argument, even if they happened, made it out of the locker room. Who's the rat? While we're talking about Patriots Way, how about how the organization seems to have way more leaks than it used to, especially within the locker room?

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Could also be that Moss told a teammate about it on Minnesota about it who then told someone that told Casserly. But yeah, I agree. This stuff is coming out a lot more than it used to be. And it's not over either. I said the other day, and I'll say it again, that a lot more details will emerge as the weeks turn into months.

furley said:

Again, this sounds like a non story to me.

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It sounds like a made up story to me, I can imagine them busting each other in fun....Casserly heard the story and blew it up into a full blown confrontation. Contraversy fulls ratings

reflexblue said:

It sounds like a made up story to me, I can imagine them busting each other in fun....Casserly heard the story and blew it up into a full blown confrontation.

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Agreed, It may have been such a non issue that some player leaked it knowing the absurdity of it.

If there is any truth this rumor, it could actually bode well for the offensive performance for the rest of the season. If Brady felt constrained with Moss being on the field, perhaps Brady will feel more comfortable just looking for the open man instead of worrying about satisfying Moss, since he can play more loosely now. In addition, he will want to prove that they can win without Moss. I'm hoping this is the case and that Brady will find a way to move the chains with whatever offensive players are put on the field. How sweet would it be for the pats to start pounding the ball like they did successfully against Miami, opening up the passing attack, and winning another super bowl?

From various reports circulating around the internet, I've been able to piece together EXACTLY what happened between Moss and Tom the week before the big game down in Miami...

*Tom walks into the locker room and sees Randy standing by his locker. Taking a deep breath and telling himself "you're the leader of the team, you can do this" TFB approaches the enigmatic receiver...

TFB: Randy, 'sup, boy?

Moss: Not much, man... Looking forward to a big game down at Miami, you know what I'm saying?

TFB: Yeah, about that... You know, I consider you a close personal friend right?

Moss: Yeah, man.

TFB: And that if anything was ever up, we could be open and up front about it right?

Moss: Yeah, of course.

TFB: Well, me, Wes and a few of the guys were talking... And I talked it over with my wife last night... And we all agree, that beard's gotta go before we hit Miami, bro.

Moss: *laughs* You're kidding, right?

TFB: *Looks sheepishly at Moss*

Moss: *becoming more concerned* C'mon, man, did that goofy looking Gronk put you up to this?

TFB: Randy, I'm serious... You know when we went to dinner the other week?

Moss: Yeah...

TFB: Gisele thought you were a homeless guy who slipped past security.

Moss: Are you ******* serious?

TFB: Look, it's okay... Gisele knows this Spanish guy who can give you a great shape up I've got his card right he-

Moss: *Cutting Brady off* Man, I don't want no got damn card for some ******* Spanish hair stylist. What the **** is the matter with you? I think those hairplugs must have sunk into your brain, man.

TFB: ... What did you just say?

Moss: You heard me, Tom... You look like a ******* girl. How you 'posed to lead the team when you look like a 14-year-old pop singer?

*Aaron Hernandez and Brandon Tate, who have been watching the confrontation from afar, snicker at the Bieber barb.*

TFB: Man, **** YOU, Randy. You cost us the game against the Jets last week and now you want to mouth off to me when I'm going out of my way to help you? Revis was right, you are a ******* slou-

*Randy shoves Brady and a fight ensues. The rookies look on dumbfounded just as BB runs in to break it up*

BB: Hey! Hey! Break it up! What the hell is the matter with you two?

Moss: ... It is what it is, coach.

BB: ** Get out of here, Randy. Tom, my office, now.

*Moss shrugs the incident off and leaves the locker room. A clearly furious Brady begins pacing the locker room. Just then, an obviously stoned Rob Gronkowski waltzes in...

Gronk: Oh, hai, Tommy Gun! How's it hangin-

*Before he can even finish, Brady punches Gronk in the face, knocking the giant out cold before heading to BB's office*

TFB: *Muttering to himself* Man, how did Randy EVEN KNOW about my hair plugs? I just can't trust ANYONE in this locker room.

*Enters BB's office*

BB: Tom, I want to discuss a trade...

TFB: So do I.

BB: Oh? What did you have in mind?

TFB: *sighs* Send me to San Francisco, Bill. I think we can get a third rounder.

BradyFTW! said:

You know what maybe bugs me more than anything? That the specifics of this argument, even if they happened, made it out of the locker room. Who's the rat? While we're talking about Patriots Way, how about how the organization seems to have way more leaks than it used to, especially within the locker room?

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You think the Patriot Way extends to everyone who could possibly be in or around the locker room to witness this? The training staff, the custodial staff, the workers who take care of the team's equipment and uniforms, and the various front office staffers, low level PR flaks, etc. ? What about the friends and relatives of the players' spouses? You think guys aren't going home to their wives and saying "you won't believe what I saw today?" You think everyone they trust is actually discreet enough to deserve it? Unlikely.

If it happens in anything but the most private of settings, it's going to get out. The Pats do as impressive a job of keeping things under wraps as I've seen outside the realm of national security, but a total lockdown is just impossible.

This is stupid. No way you trade a player because he was making fun of Brady's hair.

lamafist said:

You think the Patriot Way extends to everyone who could possibly be in or around the locker room to witness this? The training staff, the custodial staff, the workers who take care of the team's equipment and uniforms, and the various front office staffers, low level PR flaks, etc. ? What about the friends and relatives of the players' spouses? You think guys aren't going home to their wives and saying "you won't believe what I saw today?" You think everyone they trust is actually discreet enough to deserve it? Unlikely.

If it happens in anything but the most private of settings, it's going to get out. The Pats do as impressive a job of keeping things under wraps as I've seen outside the realm of national security, but a total lockdown is just impossible.

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Granted, they were never airtight in the first place. Just saying that, compared to 2001-2004, it seems like we hear a lot more about what's going on in the locker room now. I don't like it, I'm kind of on board with Wilfork's comments re: that. Keep the media out of the locker room, they'll only stir up trouble.

Hah here is what BB has to say about Casserly. This was in response to a Casserly report about Brady's injuries last year.

"Who's been wrong more than Charley Casserly since he left the Redskins? His percentage is like a meteorologist," Belichick said. "He has no relationship to this team. I'd say less than zero. Based on what? He's never at a practice, never at a game… At least he put his name on it which is more than a lot of guys. But, like he usually is, he was 100 percent wrong."

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