Brady vs Manning Debate to end this year?

[Joker]

Brady dates supermodels...Manning plays the one green toothed 300 pound Indy heifer field

Brady eats baked stuffed lobster...Manning eats baked stuffed cowpie

Brady has All American golden boy good looks...Manning has a fly landing strip for a forehead

Brady makes GQ commercials....Manning sells pizza

Brady drives an Escalade....Manning drives people to suicide with his overexposure

why even bother with their respective on field exploits?

 

[C'est La Vie]

Brady dates supermodels...Manning plays the one green toothed 300 pound Indy heifer field

Brady eats baked stuffed lobster...Manning eats baked stuffed cowpie

Brady has All American golden boy good looks...Manning has a fly landing strip for a forehead

Brady makes GQ commercials....Manning sells pizza

Brady drives an Escalade....Manning drives people to suicide with his overexposure

why even bother with their respective on field exploits?

This is one of the funniest, wittiest things I have ever read. Seriously.

 

[EasyMac]

This is one of the funniest, wittiest things I have ever read. Seriously.

True but it doesn't compare their QBing talents.

 

[FrontSeven]

This is one of the funniest, wittiest things I have ever read. Seriously.

You have no life.

 

[indycolts685]

Brady dates supermodels...Manning plays the one green toothed 300 pound Indy heifer field

Brady eats baked stuffed lobster...Manning eats baked stuffed cowpie

Brady has All American golden boy good looks...Manning has a fly landing strip for a forehead

Brady makes GQ commercials....Manning sells pizza

Brady drives an Escalade....Manning drives people to suicide with his overexposure

why even bother with their respective on field exploits?

Yeah way to add something constructive to the dicussion

 

[Joker]

another reason...

Brady handles spelling ordinary words with ease....Manning can't even spell discussion

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Wake up... Read the article that's linked before you expose yourself as a fool!

It was written in '05. Then go look up the rest. They're still fun to read.

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.co..._Manning:_Complete_&_Unabridged,_Vol._II.html

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_109_A_textbook_study_in_Brady_vs._Manning.html

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_159_

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_74_The_Picasso_of_choke_artists.html

The point was NOT that Brady's not beatable (Yes, it's called a double-negative, try to decipher it), but that he's not just better than Manning, he's one of the All-Time Greats. Yes, we mostly all HATE Peyton here along with his sanctimonious Coach and Bully-baby GM, but for good reason. It's called rivalry. It's a good pastime and great theater. I don't think either team would be the same without the other.

Manning's made himself better since those articles were written and gotten the "Picasso of Choke Artists" tag removed from his tombstone. Good for him, but he still has a way to go before he catches Tom Brady.

Actually the point of those articles, was Manning always chokes, Brady doesn't chokes.

That analysis doesn't hold true. If we found an article written at the end of the 2000 season comparing Manning vs Brady -- Manning would clearly come out on top. But it would say absolutely nothing about the two qbs in 2007.

Likewise, an article comparing the two of them before the Patriots blew a 21-3 lead and Manning won a SB doesn't say much about the QBs in 2007. Also when they were written Brady had won a ring in 3 out of 4 years. He hasn't won one since.

I still think Brady is better. But a claim that the debate is over is foolish, both are outstanding QBs.

A case can be made for Brady being better than Manning. But make that case based on all available information today. Not by linking to an old article premised facts that have clearly changed.

And that means adding in both the 2006 season and the 2007 season, not just 2007.

 

[ClevTrev]

So the debate isn't really Brady vs Manning, its what do you value titles or stats.

Good point, and the bottom line is that fans of winners usually value titles, fans of also-rans usually value stats.

This argument leads to a dead end with no outcome.

Until you arrive at an agreed set of criteria, and use only those criteria, no, you will never settle the argument. Why? Because they are both at that other-wordly level where it's probably impossible to determine if one is better or not. And at that level, who really cares?

As soon as one is declared a winner because of certain criteria, somebody will change the criteria. That's why it's important to have an agreed set of criteria and stick to them. You can't just cherry-pick. You have to take the good with the bad, add it all up, and accept the results.

Be careful if you are just a homer who wants to see Brady win. If that's your objective, it's not a worthy objective. If it's your objective to see the argument end, set down the criteria, get some Colts fan to agree to the criteria, and do the measurements. If you can't agree on criteria, no, you will never settle the argument.

True, an objective set of criteria might settle it, but for some, no agreement on criteria is possible, as this is as home-team an argument as you can get.

Bottom line: They are both great QBs, and if it turned out that Brady played his whole career for Dungy and Manning played his whole career for Belichick, things would be very interesting, but they'd still be great QBs.

Out of curiosity, if the above paragraph were true, who would have the most Super Bowl wins???

 

[Bertil]

A case can be made for Brady being better than Manning. But make that case based on all available information today. Not by linking to an old article premised facts that have clearly changed.

And that means adding in both the 2006 season and the 2007 season, not just 2007.

Those facts haven't changed, they've just been added to. Facts are facts. My point to the Colts fan was that Brady as a "System QB" is an argument that was obliterated long ago.

 

[Deus Irae]

Brady is simply a better quarterback, and this year he's destroying the only argument Manning supporters have had (Manning puts up better numbers). Manning fans will simply have to realize that there's no shame in being fans of the second best quarterback in the game, and accept Manning as that #2 guy.

 

[indycolts685]

another reason...

Brady handles spelling ordinary words with ease....Manning can't even spell discussion

wow how original, I make a simple typo of a word that I know how to spell and you turn into spelling police, how typical..

 

[Deus Irae]

wow how original, I make a simple typo of a word that I know how to spell and you turn into spelling police, how typical..

Relax.... here's an area where Manning has Brady clearly beaten:


Manning could make money using his forehead as a billboard, Brady can't.

 

[NEPatriot]

by the end of next season, Tom is undoubtly the best NFL QB. Perhaps, he can break his own TD records because he is getting better every year.Who knows.?

 

[indycolts685]

Relax.... here's an area where Manning has Brady clearly beaten:


Manning could make money using his forehead as a billboard, Brady can't.

Well as long as he keeps winning football games I don't care how big it is...

 

[mgteich]

Curiously, records meant absolutely nothing when they were held by Marino and Manning. Now, there are critical in demonstrating the greatness of Brady.

Also, winning 12 games a season for five years used to a mark of consistency, and awesomeness.

And now we find that 16-0 and no Super Bowl is not heartbreaking. It is a "failure". 16-0 is not a failure. It is the best a team can possibly do in the regular season. If all that matter is the number of Super Bowls won, let's just ignore the rest of the stats. And to state the obvious, that would mean that the patriots were failures in 2005 and 2006 seasons. which is ridiculous.

by the end of next season, Tom is undoubtly the best NFL QB. Perhaps, he can break his own TD records because he is getting better every year.Who knows.?

 

[Tommysgirl]

Curiously, records meant absolutely nothing when they were held by Marino and Manning. Now, there are critical in demonstrating the greatness of Brady.

Not by me. I respected Marino and Manning and their records, but I still always thought Brady was better. I just think he has that little extra something that makes him better.

Now, with Brady getting records it's making the rest of the world see that maybe they were wrong in thinking he isn't one of the top dogs. That's what makes me happy.

Of course, you'll never convince me that Michael Jordan is the best player ever and I think he is partially responsible for ruining basketball so take my opinion for what it's worth. Many have called me mildly psychotic for that opinion.

 

[Deus Irae]

Curiously, records meant absolutely nothing when they were held by Marino and Manning. Now, there are critical in demonstrating the greatness of Brady.

Also, winning 12 games a season for five years used to a mark of consistency, and awesomeness.

And now we find that 16-0 and no Super Bowl is not heartbreaking. It is a "failure". 16-0 is not a failure. It is the best a team can possibly do in the regular season. If all that matter is the number of Super Bowls won, let's just ignore the rest of the stats. And to state the obvious, that would mean that the patriots were failures in 2005 and 2006 seasons. which is ridiculous.

The only area that people can point to when they try claiming that Manning is a better quarterback than Brady is the records. Brady had more wins in his first 100 games than any quarterback in history except Staubach (They were tied), and he'll probably set the record for fastest quarterback to 100 wins before it's all done. Brady has more Super Bowl wins than Manning. Brady has played in more playoff games than Manning despite playing 3 fewer seasons. Manning is just 7-6 in the playoffs, while Brady is 12-2. Brady has the best winning percentage of any qualifying quarterback in NFL history (That may, or may not, only be in the Super Bowl era, although I don't believe it is). Brady has a better rating in domes and a better rating outdoors than Manning (at least he did the last time I saw the numbers posted). That leaves only the records for the "Manning is better" people.

So, now that Brady is about to take those records, it's natural for the Brady supporters to hype his breaking of those records. If/when they fall, the Manning supporters won't have a single legitimate leg to stand on.

 

[indycolts685]

The only area that people can point to when they try claiming that Manning is a better quarterback than Brady is the records. Brady had more wins in his first 100 games than any quarterback in history except Staubach (They were tied), and he'll probably set the record for fastest quarterback to 100 wins before it's all done. Brady has more Super Bowl wins than Manning. Brady has played in more playoff games than Manning despite playing 3 fewer seasons. Manning is just 7-6 in the playoffs, while Brady is 12-2. Brady has the best winning percentage of any qualifying quarterback in NFL history (That may, or may not, only be in the Super Bowl era, although I don't believe it is). Brady has a better rating in domes and a better rating outdoors than Manning (at least he did the last time I saw the numbers posted). That leaves only the records for the "Manning is better" people.

So, now that Brady is about to take those records, it's natural for the Brady supporters to hype his breaking of those records. If/when they fall, the Manning supporters won't have a single legitimate leg to stand on.

We all talk sometimes like Brady and Manning win these games themselves, alot of things contribute to the success of both these qb's including brady having a defense when Manning didn't. Im not saying Manning is better and Im not saying Brady is better. Serious question here, how many Pats fans think that Brady would have had the same success he has had if he played for the Colts?

 

[Tommysgirl]

We all talk sometimes like Brady and Manning win these games themselves, alot of things contribute to the success of both these qb's including brady having a defense when Manning didn't. Im not saying Manning is better and Im not saying Brady is better. Serious question here, how many Pats fans think that Brady would have had the same success he has had if he played for the Colts?

Honestly, if it was the same team that Peyton has had to play with all these years? I think he would have at least 3 Super Bowls.

 

[indycolts685]

Honestly, if it was the same team that Peyton has had to play with all these years? I think he would have at least 3 Super Bowls.

yeah but Manning hasn't had the defensive support that Brady has had all these years. Manning always had to try and do too much because he knew the defense would let him down..I don't know I could be wrong, just trying to throw something out for discussion..