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More excuses from da bruinz
Since when did FACTS become excuses?
This claim is always the last one of those who clearly know they've LOST the argument. Because they have no other rebuttal.
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Please don't offer the yards per carry as substantiation for LM. Most decently qualified RB's in the NFL could do the same in this offense. Why don't we pull up Heath Evan's and Kyle E's rpg while we're at it. If there is anything I can be proud of LM this season for it's the fact that he hasn't fumbled.
As far as hit style, a couple things. He goes down on initial contact on what seems every time. To me, an effective RB is not a guy that can just hit a hole, because most RB's can do that. It's a guy that can either elude or break initial contact and get that extra yard or two. The difference in a good and bad NFL RB is usually a yard per carry. The difference is a guy that can put you in a second and 5 or 6 situation rather than a second and 8. LM just doesn't show any ability to have a motor to find that extra yard - that's visible and apparent. If he was a big play breaking kind of guy(Barry Sanders), then he might be worth it, but he hasn't shown that. Otherwise, I take a guy like Sammy.
LM runs wide, is an easy target for tackle, can't slip through gaps in between defenders and once grasped, can't push through tackles. Sure he's fast and shifty in the open field, great for screens, but he's not a premier feature back - more of a change the pace kind of guy. Split him with a guy like Sammy, I think he's successful, but make him a primary, I don't - unless he shows something he hasn't yet.
His excuses? We shall see how Mr maroney does this weekend. Then we can talk more. I will be there , and I will make sure to cheer for him every time he makes a huge play.
I will say the raven game was somewhat encouraging. He did gain yardage on it seemed about 75% of the plays. you have to admit the Ravens are a tough defense and it was windy conditions so they might not have respected the pass as much, plus they held alot.
if LM can get his 3-4 minimum per carry then that is an extreme positive I think at this point. If they could start utilizing his pass catching skills in the flat like dallas did with emitt then that could be another feature of this offense.
I don't think it's the end of the world. if the Pats can get 60-75 yards out of him a game in combination with evans and faulk I think they'll be in good shape.
As far as hit style, a couple things. He goes down on initial contact on what seems every time. To me, an effective RB is not a guy that can just hit a hole, because most RB's can do that. It's a guy that can either elude or break initial contact and get that extra yard or two. The difference in a good and bad NFL RB is usually a yard per carry. The difference is a guy that can put you in a second and 5 or 6 situation rather than a second and 8. LM just doesn't show any ability to have a motor to find that extra yard - that's visible and apparent. If he was a big play breaking kind of guy(Barry Sanders), then he might be worth it, but he hasn't shown that. Otherwise, I take a guy like Sammy.
I'd agree on the positive yardage thing but there is also a difference between a 2 yard gain the majority of the time and a 3-4 yard gain.Maroney got positive yardage on every single running play against the Ravens. 8 of 13 went for 4 or more yards. But, to certain people, that's not results. That is just an excuse.QUOTE]
Maroney seemed to be more in the 3-4 range with the raven game. What we can't afford to see is the 1-2 yard gain on first down. He need to be closer to his average.
Please don't offer the yards per carry as substantiation for LM. Most decently qualified RB's in the NFL could do the same in this offense. Why don't we pull up Heath Evan's and Kyle E's rpg while we're at it. If there is anything I can be proud of LM this season for it's the fact that he hasn't fumbled.
As far as hit style, a couple things. He goes down on initial contact on what seems every time. To me, an effective RB is not a guy that can just hit a hole, because most RB's can do that. It's a guy that can either elude or break initial contact and get that extra yard or two. The difference in a good and bad NFL RB is usually a yard per carry. The difference is a guy that can put you in a second and 5 or 6 situation rather than a second and 8. LM just doesn't show any ability to have a motor to find that extra yard - that's visible and apparent. If he was a big play breaking kind of guy(Barry Sanders), then he might be worth it, but he hasn't shown that. Otherwise, I take a guy like Sammy.
LM runs wide, is an easy target for tackle, can't slip through gaps in between defenders and once grasped, can't push through tackles. Sure he's fast and shifty in the open field, great for screens, but he's not a premier feature back - more of a change the pace kind of guy. Split him with a guy like Sammy, I think he's successful, but make him a primary, I don't - unless he shows something he hasn't yet.
Some very good points made here. Maroney just doesn't seem to get you that extra yard that a good RB would. He also frequently goes down on initial contact. Maybe he's just better suited to be a #2, change of pace RB.
As for Eckel and Neal, they are very limited backs, but I think most of us can be honest enough to admit that they are scrubs. The sad thing is that these guys or Brady are preferable running options to Maroney in short yardage situations.
Maroney got positive yardage on every single running play against the Ravens. 8 of 13 went for 4 or more yards. But, to certain people, that's not results. That is just an excuse.
Since when did FACTS become excuses?
This claim is always the last one of those who clearly know they've LOST the argument. Because they have no other rebuttal.
Since when would they yank Corey in red zone? Or since when did they yank Antowain in years past? Why would you yank your feature back unless he cannot get the job done? The job is pounding it in small space. Forget about it - it's not Laurence's thing. If it becomes his thing I'll be very happy. I can't be happy about it right now. Sorry, but I'm a realist not a pipe dreamer. He is not the man in the red zone, and all of his stats don't mean anything in the red zone.
8 of 13 carries in the Ravens game went for 4 yards or more. 5 went for 3 yards or less.I'd agree on the positive yardage thing but there is also a difference between a 2 yard gain the majority of the time and a 3-4 yard gain.
Maroney seemed to be more in the 3-4 range with the raven game. What we can't afford to see is the 1-2 yard gain on first down. He need to be closer to his average.
There is a rebuttal that a lot of people ignore in favor of looking at the ypc stats: Red zone production.
Here's another rebuttal: Diapers in the locker.
Here's another rebuttal: Laurence standing around on the sideline in the Bills game, and then disagreeing with his coach over the cause of it.
He is used sparingly. He gets 10-15 touches maximum, and you know that those touches are designed for the location of the field, and hardly ever come in the red zone, where space is limited, and the shoulder must go down, and he must push a pile.
Is that a fair rebuttal of the "facts"?
So far all I see is a bunch of Heath Evans in the red zone. Hey, I like Heath. Good on him. The good news is that we still have a guy left standing who can pound it the way they want it pounded - a guy who won't run away from his blocks. Why can't Laurence do that?
No, I would admit that that was a decent performance.
I would also factor in the notion of Baltimore going with nickel packages most of the game. I mean, if you can't run on a nickel package ........ well ..... you know what I'm saying.
I think that the Pats finally changed it up and took what the Ravens had probably been giving all night long - the run. That is smart football. I'm glad they did it. I'm glad Laurence was part of the equation. But Laurence was not the guy they wanted in there in the red zone.
Why not?
Since when would they yank Corey in red zone? Or since when did they yank Antowain in years past? Why would you yank your feature back unless he cannot get the job done? The job is pounding it in small space. Forget about it - it's not Laurence's thing. If it becomes his thing I'll be very happy. I can't be happy about it right now. Sorry, but I'm a realist not a pipe dreamer. He is not the man in the red zone, and all of his stats don't mean anything in the red zone.
They think that because Maroney isn't in the game in EVERY situation they believe he should be in, that Maroney sucks.
10-15 times maximum. Repeat: Maximum.
I am telling you that Marion Barber would thrive in this offense. He'd be getting 20+ touches and he would be THE MAN in the red zone because he would give us a BETTER CHANCE TO SCORE THAN HEATH FREAKING EVANS.
There is a rebuttal that a lot of people ignore in favor of looking at the ypc stats: Red zone production.
Here's another rebuttal: Diapers in the locker.
Here's another rebuttal: Laurence standing around on the sideline in the Bills game, and then disagreeing with his coach over the cause of it.
He is used sparingly. He gets 10-15 touches maximum, and you know that those touches are designed for the location of the field, and hardly ever come in the red zone, where space is limited, and the shoulder must go down, and he must push a pile.
Is that a fair rebuttal of the "facts"?
So far all I see is a bunch of Heath Evans in the red zone. Hey, I like Heath. Good on him. The good news is that we still have a guy left standing who can pound it the way they want it pounded - a guy who won't run away from his blocks. Why can't Laurence do that?
Some of it is the fact that the Pats have telegraphed so much that when Maroney is on the field, its a running play. So defenses are able to stack the box. The more play-action they do with Maroney, the better off they are going to be. Both when Maroney actually gets the ball and when they actually pass.
Maroney has had 31 touches inside the Red Zone. He's gotten 78 yards. 2.5 YPC.
You just MIS-represented the whole idea. It's not that Laurence is not in the game in "every" situation. It's that he only touches the ball 10-15 times maximum. Repeat: Maximum.
Expecting a FIRST ROUND running back to get more than 10 touches and score a TD is not what you represented with your "every" comment.
Some day you will face the fact that ypc in the middle of the field does not equate to TDs and it does not equate to why you draft a RB with your first round pick.
I am telling you that Marion Barber would thrive in this offense. He'd be getting 20+ touches and he would be THE MAN in the red zone because he would give us a BETTER CHANCE TO SCORE THAN HEATH FREAKING EVANS.