All-Overrated Team

[JJDChE]

"DE- Freeney. Ive wrote volumes lately on this. But when all you are asked to do is rush the QB, and you get 9 sacks in 25 games, basically, you stink."

No. Go pick up a copy of Pro Football Prospectus 2007, and read the Beyond Sacks chapter. Sacks aren't the best way to judge pass rushers. Dwight Freeney led the NFL with 33 QB hurries last year.

in addition, he occupies blockers

Who are the leaders if you add sacks+hurries? That would be the more useful number.

 

[Frezo]

But the fact that teams want him doesn't mean they aren't over-rating him? The more over-rated he is, the more teams would want him, no?

It's a vicious cycle. A player plays well and teams want him. He plays better and teams want him more.

Any GM basing his desirability for a player on media ramblings is a goner.

People know what Freeney is good at. Because stopping the run isn't his strong suit doesn't mean he's overated. I think it means he is highly rated at being a pass rusher in a 4-3. The NFL is becoming more specialized regarding players and what they are best at. Freeney is one of the best at what he does. In that regard he isn't overated. As an all purpose DL...anybody that bases his rating solely in that category is making a mistake.

 

[TommyD4207]

This brings up a good point. Who are some of the more overrated Patriot players?

Junior Seau, who I've always thought is overrated. No one jumps on the pile quite like he does.

***ANTE Samuel - No more than the 2007 version of Terrell Buckley

And you could make the arguement for Laurence Maroney. He's not a feature back, no matter how much everyone wants him to be. He's great in a tandem or platoon, but he'll never be THE guy.

 

[TommyD4207]

I disagree with this. TO is a pretty damn good receiver. Yeah, he's a major a-hole, but he deserves the credit he gets.

Dude leads the league in drops every year. He's terribly overrated. He runs his mouth, that's why people talk about him.

 

[BadMoFo]

This season ........ not really!

9-0! Read it and weep!

RB: Maroney?

 

[PATRIOT64]

What? - No one mentioned Edgerrin James who was only as good as that great Indy offensive line took him.

BTW: Whoever mentioned Andy Katzenmoyer as overated is stupid - The guy endured a short career by a career ending injury duh! - What did you want the guy to do?,Play until he got crippled?

If you want a guy who had the most notorious career ended by injury, Brian Bosworth rings a bell.

 

[PATRIOT64]

POST FROM THE PAST......

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=36156&highlight

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

All I know is the captain of this team and his name is Vince Young.

 

[pheenix11]

This is so obvious, Peyton Manning.

If Manning was half as good as the ball washers led you to believe he would be a God who could move the ball with his mind.

Instead he is a whiny, mopey faced, throwin his team under the bus stat whore who got lucky one year because Polian spiked the Pats water cooler with the flu virus.

He played like ass the entire playoffs last year, the Colts won despite him not because of him.

 

[frankiesfly]

I dont agree that Bob Sanders or Freeney is overrated, they are two of the elite at their position.

That's because you're an uneducated Steelers fan. Elite? HAHAHAHAH. I thought you knew nothing about football, and I was right.

 

[Aqua4Ever04]

Way to many obections but I'll start with the most ridiculous one.

Zach Thomas is over rated? Are you kidding me? He was never considered up there with the Urlacher's and Lewis' yet he produced as much or more every single year. Zach is a better student of the game then Peyton Manning, he locates ball carries better then anyone the past 10 years and in his prime was a play maker. Sorry sir, that's ridiculous.

Your assesment of Thomas is completely flawed. Maybe you watched a game from 2007 but go back to 2003 and that would not be the case one bit. Zach is the best in the league at diagnosing where the hole is and meeting the ball carrier in that hole. The reason he's always free isn't an accident, that's a result of film study and preperation. Get your hands on the 2005 opener against Denver, the Broncos try to run it in from the 1 yard line 3 times and Zach meets Tatum Bell each time forcing the turn over on downs.

Willis McGahee makes no sense either. I've watched him a few times this year and he just bowls people over and cuts pretty good on a knee that isn't the same it once was.

Chris Chambers should've caught 100 balls in those circumstances? You mean the circumstances that showed 10 QBs throwing him the ball and 5 differnet systems under 5 OCs in ust 6 1/4 years there?

How about for over rated player we go with Joseph Addai? The dude faces nickle and dime packages nearly every time and because he breaks a few arm tackles he is supposed to be god. The guy is shifty but not powerful by any means and doesn't have top end speed. Nothing about Addai stands out, put him in a place like Oakland or Miami in 2006 and he would've done NOTHING.

Where are the Patriots on your list like Asante Samuel?

EDIT: Just notice you spelled ZacH wrong.

 

[Aqua4Ever04]

That's because you're an uneducated Steelers fan. Elite? HAHAHAHAH. I thought you knew nothing about football, and I was right.

If you don't think Sanders is an elite player then I'd say you're the one lacking in knowledge. The only knock I have on Bob is that he is literally injured 4 or 5 times a year.

 

[Aqua4Ever04]

How do they define a quarterback hurry?

Definition: A stat often used by insecure Indy trolls.

If you don't know what QB hurries are, then your evaluating of defensive linemen is completely flawed. How do force turnovers? Get pressure on the QB. I'd rather have the QB make a dumb throw then take a sack.

 

[Aqua4Ever04]

This brings up a good point. Who are some of the more overrated Patriot players?

Asante Samuel.

 

[frankiesfly]

If you don't think Sanders is an elite player then I'd say you're the one lacking in knowledge. The only knock I have on Bob is that he is literally injured 4 or 5 times a year.

Just like Chris Chambers is an elite WO, lol. Last time I looked he was still dropping the ball in San Diego.

 

[Aqua4Ever04]

Just like Chris Chambers is an elite WO, lol. Last time I looked he was still dropping the ball in San Diego.

Well I'm not sure when the last time you looked was because I've seen all 3 of his games with the Chargers and he hasn't dropped 1 yet.

 

[TommyD4207]

Way to many obections but I'll start with the most ridiculous one.

Zach Thomas is over rated? Are you kidding me? He was never considered up there with the Urlacher's and Lewis' yet he produced as much or more every single year. Zach is a better student of the game then Peyton Manning, he locates ball carries better then anyone the past 10 years and in his prime was a play maker. Sorry sir, that's ridiculous.

Your assesment of Thomas is completely flawed. Maybe you watched a game from 2007 but go back to 2003 and that would not be the case one bit. Zach is the best in the league at diagnosing where the hole is and meeting the ball carrier in that hole. The reason he's always free isn't an accident, that's a result of film study and preperation. Get your hands on the 2005 opener against Denver, the Broncos try to run it in from the 1 yard line 3 times and Zach meets Tatum Bell each time forcing the turn over on downs.

Willis McGahee makes no sense either. I've watched him a few times this year and he just bowls people over and cuts pretty good on a knee that isn't the same it once was.

Chris Chambers should've caught 100 balls in those circumstances? You mean the circumstances that showed 10 QBs throwing him the ball and 5 differnet systems under 5 OCs in ust 6 1/4 years there?

How about for over rated player we go with Joseph Addai? The dude faces nickle and dime packages nearly every time and because he breaks a few arm tackles he is supposed to be god. The guy is shifty but not powerful by any means and doesn't have top end speed. Nothing about Addai stands out, put him in a place like Oakland or Miami in 2006 and he would've done NOTHING.

Where are the Patriots on your list like Asante Samuel?

EDIT: Just notice you spelled ZacH wrong.

No, the poster you're responding to is 100% correct.
Zach Thomas has been the most overrated linebacker in football for years. He's up there with Seau in his pilejumping and phantom tackle stat collecting skills.

 

[TommyD4207]

Well I'm not sure when the last time you looked was because I've seen all 3 of his games with the Chargers and he hasn't dropped 1 yet.

He dropped 2 Sunday night.
Which game were you watching?

 

[Aqua4Ever04]

No, the poster you're responding to is 100% correct.
Zach Thomas has been the most overrated linebacker in football for years. He's up there with Seau in his pilejumping and phantom tackle stat collecting skills.

Well being a person that watched him play in about 100 games I have to disagree. As I said, the tackles he makes are because of diagnosing a play and meeting the running back in the hole. No linebacker does that better then Zach. I've seen him listed outside of the top 5 LBs in football plenty of times so I don't see who's over rating him other then maybe Miami fans.

He's never played behind great DTs and he's been doing what he's been doing for years.

 

[RayClay]

I always see people say Bruschi is overrated, but I can't think of the last time anyone called him a great player. I figure that's just dumb Jets fans who don't realize that Pats fans accepted awhile ago that he lost a step.

I used to think Asante was overrated but I don't know anymore.

Last year I would have said Watson, but he hasn't gotten much attention this year.



You keep mentioning this knowing that it's a horrible point. Seymour has never put up big stats and was never acclaimed for doing so. You also know that the responsibilities of linemen in the 3-4 and 4-3 are very different. Do you just enjoy making stupid arguments you don't believe in?

If Seymour is overrated it's because he gets hurt so much, but I think this has been accounted for. You don't hear him mentioned among the best defensive linemen like you used to.

That would be my guess.