Week 3 Thoughts

[spacecrime]

I am not going to annoint Maroney until he plays a healthy season and looks like a top draft pick in most areas of his game. Period.

Until then, he has a long way to go. Simple.

A long way to go for what? To be perfect in every phase of the game? ANd never have an injury?

You can't say he is a good RB until he plays year after year without an injury? So Eddie George sucked?

Dude, Maroney is one of the best RBs playing in the league so far this year. Just take a deep breath and admit it.

If he takes a turn for the worse then you can say he isn't playing like one of the best in the league. Until then, he is.

I don't know why some people need to find things wrong with everything they see.

 

[njpatsfan]

Your angry white guy routine has worn thin so you simply grasp at straws in a vain attempt to suggest that my honest opinion of a player or situation is somehow a 'vast rightwing conspiracy' to use a term which you probably use quite a bit, at least in that delusional area between your ears.

You may think you are clever and spinning some kind of deliciously devestating 'slam', but unfortunately you are simply being a prick. Which is all you ever do around here, so I imagine that is just who you are, a jerk.

You'll have to forgive patsox23 for having his panties in such a bunch. The Sox lost last night, and I'm thrashing him and his beloved Keith Olbermann over on the "Football Night in America" thread. All around bad day.

R

 

[5 Rings for Brady!!]

I can't speak for AJ, but the reason I have gotten annoyed with you is that you continually misrepresent what the argument is as some bizarre kind of backpedal on the words YOU used before.

NONE of these 3 points has been argued by any of us. Not a single one of them. Please stop promoting the fiction that they have been. That's essentially all I'm asking from you.

I don't really care why you have gotten annoyed with me, but the moment you start suggesting that I am lying or whatever else is the moment I get annoyed back.

You are taking this stuff WAY too seriously.

Perhaps you should consider that what I said originally wasn't such a big damn deal that we need to spend all afternoon bickering about it.

My thoughts have not changed one IOTA, not at all. If I didn't express myself clearly in my initial post than that is my fault, however it is not worth arguing about to the point where I am being questioned as a liar for having a point of view.

Whether or not you think I am a liar and want to make this personal, I believe that the OL needs to play consistently for a while before I annoint them and so does Maroney. IT IS NOTHING PERSONAL. I like Matt Light, I like Maroney, I like Hochstein. I just don't leap to conclusions as a habit until a lot of time passes by.

And I don't feel I need to be personally attacked as a liar to have a point of view that is different than somebody else's.

I have said the same thing over and over now all afternoon, yet somehow I am backpedaling or changing my story or whatever. Nothing in my opinion of the situation has changed. Nothing will change until I see it happen on the football field for many weeks.

 

[patsox23]

"Comprehending your posts is not difficult. Overcoming your paranoia is."

I can't imagine how I would've taken anything personally.

 

[5 Rings for Brady!!]

I am starting to think that this is just trivial at this point.

Jack Bauer, yawn back at you.

 

[patsox23]

This is easy enough to fix:

1) cite the posts where we said or even implied that Maroney has "arrived" and is "a Pro Bowler."

2) cite the posts where we have argued that it's NOT "a process."

 

[Lloyd_Christmas]

I thought I read somewhere that he has only run for 100+ yards twice in his NFL career.

If that's true, I'd say that he's got a ways to go despite the positives (like good yds/carry avg).

At this point, he doesn't look that much better than Sammy Morris to me. Either Morris is way better than I figured (a distinct possibility) or Maroney just isn't as good as I had hoped.

Don't get me wrong, I think Maroney has done pretty good and I think he probably will continue to improve. Complaining about his job so far is kind of petty all things considered.

 

[JackBauer]

I just erased that thread about Patsox, because I am starting to think that this is just trivial at this point.

Jack Bauer, yawn back at you.

Hey, don't yawn at me. I'm not the one who apparently failed Critical Thinking 101.

 

[5 Rings for Brady!!]

This is easy enough to fix:

1) cite the posts where we said or even implied that Maroney has "arrived" and is "a Pro Bowler."

2) cite the posts where we have argued that it's NOT "a process."

I think at this point I will simply say that my intital thread still stands as is, and trying to engage you in a discussion is not very fruitful at the moment.

 

[BB_dynasty]

Lynch and Peterson may have higher ceilings, but I think Maroney has more upside than Addai.

Maybe that is beacuse Addai is on the colts, and we want maroney to do better since we drafted him before Addai?

I feel the same way, he does have a HUGE upside.

 

[5 Rings for Brady!!]

A long way to go for what? To be perfect in every phase of the game? ANd never have an injury?

You can't say he is a good RB until he plays year after year without an injury? So Eddie George sucked?

Dude, Maroney is one of the best RBs playing in the league so far this year. Just take a deep breath and admit it.

If he takes a turn for the worse then you can say he isn't playing like one of the best in the league. Until then, he is.

I don't know why some people need to find things wrong with everything they see.

Maroney has the talent to be a solid running back when compared to other good backs in this league. By long way to go, I mean that he is a swinging gate in pass protection, he doesn't have a track record of getting tough yards consistently and he needs to work on his all around game. Nothing earthshattering here.

As far as pointing out two things from a laundry list of positives, big deal. I clearly stated that the OL is much improved and that our team looks good. I also said that Maroney took a step in the process he needs to go through and that he will likely continue progressing against the Bengals.

You guys can try all you want to twist everything around, but my initial post has not changed and will not change until I see at least a half year or more of play.

 

[patsox23]

I think at this point I will simply say that my intital thread still stands as is, and trying to engage you in a discussion is not very fruitful at the moment.

White flag noted.

 

[5 Rings for Brady!!]

Hey, don't yawn at me. I'm not the one who apparently failed Critical Thinking 101.

You funny.

 

[5 Rings for Brady!!]

White flag noted.

It is all about being the better man.

 

[patsox23]

It is all about being the better man.

Unbelievable. I tried to make light of it and offer you a graceful exit and you feel the need to take it to the very edge of some bizarre, macho pissing contest. Just stop. And go.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

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[Oswlek]

Maroney has the talent to be a solid running back when compared to other good backs in this league. By long way to go, I mean that he is a swinging gate in pass protection, he doesn't have a track record of getting tough yards consistently and he needs to work on his all around game. Nothing earthshattering here.

As far as pointing out two things from a laundry list of positives, big deal. I clearly stated that the OL is much improved and that our team looks good. I also said that Maroney took a step in the process he needs to go through and that he will likely continue progressing against the Bengals.

You guys can try all you want to twist everything around, but my initial post has not changed and will not change until I see at least a half year or more of play.

I agree that Lomo needs to be better at getting the "tough" yards, but your assessment of his pass protection is horrendously flawed. If anything, the team was surprised at just how good Maroney was as a rookie at pass blocking and he is still decent. He isn't as good as Faulk or Morris, nor is he the receiver those guys are and that is why he typically gives way on obvious passing downs. But I haven't seen a single play where Maroney did a poor job at pass protection.

I think you are taking liberties with that one.

BTW, obviously injuries are always a big consideration, but if Maroney continues his gradual improvement he will be more than worth th investment NE has in him. I think people forget just how many 1st rounders amount to nothing. Just because you can point to a guy like Addai and say that he has been better does not mean that anyone should be down on Maroney. There is a reason the team loves him.

 

[5 Rings for Brady!!]

Unbelievable. I tried to make light of it and offer you a graceful exit and you feel the need to take it to the very edge of some bizarre, macho pissing contest. Just stop. And go.

Wow, you live on a different planet. You give me a graceful exit from your paranoid ramblings, calling me a liar and all that? You think I need any kind of exit from a POS like you?

This was never a pissing match. This was me making a couple simple comments on a thread and you getting all angry and calling me a liar and so on.

I don't need nothing from you, guy.

 

[patsox23]

So you're NOT going to cite the posts where we denied it's "a process" or the posts where we claimed - as you have charged - Maroney is "a Pro Bowler" and has "arrived." Right?

You CONTINUALLY claimed that that's what we had said and were saying, and explained in no uncertain terms that you did not misunderstand the posts. So...explain.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Okay, I imagine this has been brought up in the Maroney discussion, but I tune out when the wars start. Just stop if you've read this before:

Maroney is being fed the ball in goal line situations. Maroney is not crossing the stripe.

It is evident that BB is just waiting for that day when he can think of Maroney as an every-down back, and let the role-players come in as a luxury, not a necessity.

I certainly wouldn't call anything on our offense "sub-par" right now, but Andy is right. He has a ways to go.

Just taking goal line situations as an example: It is frequent for a rookie or second year guy to have trouble getting over the stripe. For a lot of running backs it's the single hardest thing to do.

There are guys that never get over that, and they become great between the 20s. There are other guys that never have a problem with it. And then, there are guys that work through and suddenly a light goes on -- and they can make that goal line carry (as we're reminded about 14 times every Sunday by that Reggie Bush commercial.)

Maroney's not there yet. We don't know if he will get there. Unless you're a fantasy freak, that's fine, so long as Morris, Evans, and/or the passing game can punch the ball in.

But I think we all want to have that reliable every-down back, if Maroney can be that guy in the future.

So yeah, why not say the guy has a ways to go? Sure it's demanding. Sure he's getting the 4.7 per carry. Sure that's giving you more than most guys. But coming in we wanted a complete back, and Maroney looks like he can be that guy. So he has a ways to go.

PFnV