Pats need to win out probably to get HFA

[PatriotsPimp136]

Titans play the donkeys next week. Still playing for the division.

 

[Ring 6]

if Oakland also goes 3 and 1 they would get the tie breaker

I don't think that is certain. If their loss is to Denver and ours is say to the jets or Miami don't we win the tiebreaker?

 

[Ring 6]

In the case of NE both BUF games count. In the case of DEN, all four of the OAK and KC games count. Note that the tiebreaker is "best W-L-T percentage". There's no requirement that the teams have the same number of common games. Just that there are at least four.

KC wouldn't count because we do not play them

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Sooner or later...I'm guessing sooner...the Pats are going to have to win a tough Playoff game in a hostile environment on the Road to get to the SB.

They've done it twice before and other teams in recent years have had to win two and even three on the road to get to and win the big game.

I don't think we have a lot of confidence in our guys if we think that HFA is a must for them to get to Houston.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

KC wouldn't count because we do not play them

Yeah - good point. And neither will OAK, for the same reason.

But KC's two games against DEN will count for them and NE's two games against BUF will count for NE.

 

[Ring 6]

Yeah - good point. And neither will OAK, for the same reason.

But KC's two games against DEN will count for them and NE's two games against BUF will count for NE.

It depends on who the tie is with.
It's only common games so Denver and buff only count if those are common
If Oakland bills and Denver count
If Kc jets and Denver
If Denver no division games count and Houston and Cincy do.

 

[BTTA]

With the recent injuries, I'll be satisfied at 13-3. Not happy, because that'll mean losing to one of our four most hated rivals, which will cause me to wake up the next morning with a jaw ache from grinding my teeth all night. I can't stand the thought of losing a late season game to Baltimore, Denver, the Jests, or Miami. In fact I'm already pissed off about it just typing this and it hasn't even happened.

But 13-3 will be quite an accomplishment given the obstacles and turmoil (some self inflicted) of this year. I do enjoy watching the Belichick career stats continue to pile up, with winning % and total wins being two of my favorites.

If Oakland can accomplish the #1 seed in a season where the Pats go 13-3, well, then that's the way it roles this year. I don't think they'll have developed the mental fortitude to win the AFC, however, so playing them out there doesn't worry me much.

 

[mosslost]

I don't think that is certain. If their loss is to Denver and ours is say to the jets or Miami don't we win the tiebreaker?

I think who you "beat" only matters in the common opponents tie breaker.. "who you played, regardless of win or loss" is the "strenght of schedule" tie breaker. I am not totally sure about this, but I think that is the one they have us on, so it would not matter WHO they LOSE to if we end up tied in the strength of schedule tie breaker. However I fully admit that once you get to the 4th and 5th ties breaker my head starts to hurt.

 

[sambam94]

so the Buff loss without Brady could very well cost the Pats the #1 seed..great

 

[Ring 6]

I think who you "beat" only matters in the common opponents tie breaker.. "who you played, regardless of win or loss" is the "strenght of schedule" tie breaker. I am not totally sure about this, but I think that is the one they have us on, so it would not matter WHO they LOSE to if we end up tied in the strength of schedule tie breaker. However I fully admit that once you get to the 4th and 5th ties breaker my head starts to hurt.

Common opponents comes first. That is the advantage they have so far because one of our losses is vs a common opponent.
That advantage goes away if they lose to Denver.
Any strength of schedule tiebreaker is very incomplete yet.

 

[everlong]

Todays games certainly didn't help Pats in the Home Field Hunt.
Lots of big battles and looks like 3-1 will be needed for the Pats.

NE: ...... vs BAL .. @DEN .. vs NYJ .. @ MIA
OAK: .... @KC .... @SD ..... vs IND .. @DEN
KC: ..... vs OAK .. vs TEN .. vs DEN .. @SD
DEN: ... @TEN .. vs NE .... @KC ..... vs OAK

Makes it interesting that all 4 teams play at least one of the other and all of them have tough games remaining. At least one team from this bunch will go 2-2 or worse and I bet two do and could actually see where it plays out to be three. NE, Denver and Oakland each losing two road games as an example. Tenn isn't half bad and that will be back to back east coast road games for Denver.

 

[mosslost]

Sooner or later...I'm guessing sooner...the Pats are going to have to win a tough Playoff game in a hostile environment on the Road to get to the SB.

They've done it twice before and other teams in recent years have had to win two and even three on the road to get to and win the big game.

I don't think we have a lot of confidence in our guys if we think that HFA is a must for them to get to Houston.

I am hoping that they have to win 2 at home.

 

[long distance]

In the case of NE both BUF games count. In the case of DEN, all four of the OAK and KC games count. Note that the tiebreaker is "best W-L-T percentage". There's no requirement that the teams have the same number of common games. Just that there are at least four.

Thanks, QM.
It still means Pats have better chances to have this tiebreaker over KC (the best they can go is 3-2; which is the worst Pats can go if they lose both @DEN and vs NYJ which is not likely). If they want to have it over OAK they need to win both BAL & DEN with OAK losing to DEN.

 

[mosslost]

Thanks, QM.
It still means Pats have better chances to have this tiebreaker over KC (the best they can go is 3-2; which is the worst Pats can go if they lose both @DEN and vs NYJ which is not likely). If they want to have it over OAK they need to win both BAL & DEN with OAK losing to DEN.

win all 4 is our best chance obviously

 

[mosslost]

If we beat Baltimore, and the Dolphins lose to AZ.. We win division and the 2 seed this week.

 

[Soul_Survivor88]

FiveThirtyEight has our odds of winning out much higher than the Raiders....only thing is, the Raiders appear to be having a magical season. They are a team that just feels destined for greatness, much like the Cowboys.

 

[DaBruinz]

The good news is the 2 Seed and the first round bye are all but clinched now. However, Oakland will have the tie breaker against us. Their schedule is tough, they look good enough to me to finish 3 and 1 the rest of the way, which means we need to go 4 and 0. (I "think")

Not too mention that we could still end up tied with KC if we drop one, and I think they get the tie breaker too the last time I checked. (But I think they should drop at least one )

A few things.
If Oakland wins their division, the Best KC can do is the #5 seed, regardless of their record.
Oakland has 3 divisional games left. 2 of which are away games at two of the hardest stadiums to play at. Arrowhead and Mile High. These are, by no means, gimmees..
The Patriots have 2 divisional games left as well. And they will be tough as all divisional games are. So will the game in Denver.

Talking about the Tie Breaker now when that division has so much going on is silly because KC, Oakland, and Denver could all end up at 12-4 and there is all sorts of things that could happen.

Let's worry about the games as they come. That's what Belichick's mantra will be for the team. Focus on the next game, which is Baltimore.

 

[mosslost]

A few things.
If Oakland wins their division, the Best KC can do is the #5 seed, regardless of their record.
Oakland has 3 divisional games left. 2 of which are away games at two of the hardest stadiums to play at. Arrowhead and Mile High. These are, by no means, gimmees..
The Patriots have 2 divisional games left as well. And they will be tough as all divisional games are. So will the game in Denver.

Talking about the Tie Breaker now when that division has so much going on is silly because KC, Oakland, and Denver could all end up at 12-4 and there is all sorts of things that could happen.

Let's worry about the games as they come. That's what Belichick's mantra will be for the team. Focus on the next game, which is Baltimore.

I'm not worried, in the real sense of worry, about any of the games. The NFL is just fun entertainment for me. I was only referencing KC in the context of them winning their division which is very possible. I did the tie breaker machine with them (KC) winning out and us losing once to Denver and we got the tie breaker with them at 13-3. The bottom line is the Pats need to win these games coming up, and hopefully all of them. (OK for a fan to look ahead, I'm not on the team, and that is part of the entertainment for me. If Oakland wins all 4 they get it it. I doubt they will lose 2 games, so that likely means we need to win all 4)

 

[Gronkowski123]

..as long as the title game isn't in denver!!

it will be tough trying to match scores with the raiders.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

..as long as the title game isn't in denver!!

it will be tough trying to match scores with the raiders.

If i had to pick, I'd like the title game to be in the following venues in order:

Gillette - obviously

Oakland - will be hostile environment, but Oakland is not a huge rival

KC - we know what happened there last time.

Denver - won't happen as they have to qualify as a wild card