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Does anyone know the answer to this?
Can the Patriots re-negotiate a new contract with Revis before March 10th? Or does the Patriots cut him and becomes a free agent, and then negotiate with him.
Assuming Patriots does not pick up the 2nd yr?
Does anyone know the answer to this?
Can the Patriots re-negotiate a new contract with Revis before March 10th? Or does the Patriots cut him and becomes a free agent, and then negotiate with him.
Assuming Patriots does not pick up the 2nd yr?
The patriots can negotiate with Revis before March 10th. If they don't he'll be gone.
Some comments on the comments
1. Here is how I see this lining up. Hayden, Peterson, Sherman and Revis make up the top 4 of NFL CB's.
2. The 3 of them all got paid last year, pretty much setting the current top of the market for CB's
3. Revis is on record saying he doesn't have to be the highest paid CB in the league
4. Revis is also 3 or 4 years older than the 3 guys I mentioned. This is something Revis is smart enough to know will be a factor in this next contract.
5. Any expectation of Revis maintaining the same high level of play we saw this year longer than 2 more seasons should be considered optimistic. So its imperative that the Pats and Revis' camp be on the same page about Revis' end game to his career. For example is he willing to risk a bigger percentage of his income after 2016 on playing time and performance incentives? How willing is he to perhaps transition to S at the end of his career?
Being on the same page on questions like that will go along way to getting Revis the kind of money he wants in those next 2-3 years.
6. Playing in Boston gives him some advantages that should outweigh marginally better offers.
a. Virtually assured of playoff money (BTW- anyone know how much extra money every player made by winning the superbowl? )
b. Will play with a very good secondary and defense the next 3 or 4 years
c. Will play with an improving top 5 offense the next 2-3 years
d. He'll be knows he'll be well coached
7. The negatives are:
a. He'll have to work his ass off and play within a system
b. He won't get the last dollar.
8. If I'm the Pats I expect Revis and his camp to recognize the issue of his age and agree to those clauses that will address the Pats concerns. I also expect him to recognize that a lot of players here take a bit less so the money so it can be spread to the rest of his teammates. And also that the best player on the team takes less a lot less than top dollar.
9. If I am Revis I expect the Pats to pay me within 5% of the highest player in the game on a per year basis and my Guarantee percentages are fairly equal as well. In exchange I will make concessions to my age by making more of my income play time and performance related in the last 2 or 3 years of the contract. And I will give the Pats a small discount in AVV in exchange for a small increase in upfront bonus.
10 So in the end the deal would look something like this: The Headline would be 5 years for 70M with a 15MM signing bonus, and an additional 20MM in other guarantees throughout the contract. Whatever he is due beyond the bonus in those first 2 years would become guaranteed on the 3rd day of the new league year. After 2016 more and more of the contract would become more playtime and performance based
11. This I think gives both sides what they want. I'm comfortable that the Pats are willing to pay him top dollar, as long as he's playing like the elite player he is right now. When the day comes when he becomes
"merely" a good player (ie top 20 CB) The Pats want his pay to reflect that performance.
12. What the Pats want is not another Logan Mankins situation, where they have to let go a "good" player because he's making a great players' pay check (cap number). Something like this, I think, would do the trick.
Some comments on the comments
1. Here is how I see this lining up. Hayden, Peterson, Sherman and Revis make up the top 4 of NFL CB's.
2. The 3 of them all got paid last year, pretty much setting the current top of the market for CB's, which is, I believe, in the $14MM/yr range
3. Revis is on record saying he doesn't have to be the highest paid CB in the league
4. Revis is also 3 or 4 years older than the 3 guys I mentioned. This is something Revis is smart enough to know will be a factor in this next contract.
5. Any expectation of Revis maintaining the same high level of play we saw this year longer than 2 more seasons should be considered optimistic. So its imperative that the Pats and Revis' camp be on the same page about Revis' end game to his career. For example is he willing to risk a bigger percentage of his income after 2016 on playing time and performance incentives? How willing is he to perhaps transition to S at the end of his career?
Being on the same page on questions like that will go along way to getting Revis the kind of money he wants in those next 2-3 years.
6. Playing in Boston gives him some advantages that should outweigh marginally better offers.
a. Virtually assured of playoff money (BTW- anyone know how much extra money every player made by winning the superbowl? )
b. Will play with a very good secondary and defense the next 3 or 4 years
c. Will play with an improving top 5 offense the next 2-3 years
d. He'll be knows he'll be well coached
7. The negatives are:
a. He'll have to work his ass off and play within a system
b. He won't get the last dollar.
8. If I'm the Pats I expect Revis and his camp to recognize the issue of his age and agree to those clauses that will address the Pats concerns. I also expect him to recognize that a lot of players here take a bit less so the money so it can be spread to the rest of his teammates. And also that the best player on the team takes less a lot less than top dollar.
9. If I am Revis I expect the Pats to pay me within 5% of the highest player in the game on a per year basis and my Guarantee percentages are fairly equal as well. In exchange I will make concessions to my age by making more of my income play time and performance related in the last 2 or 3 years of the contract. And I will give the Pats a small discount in AVV in exchange for a small increase in upfront bonus.
10 So in the end the deal would look something like this: The Headline would be 5 years for 70M with a 15MM signing bonus, and an additional 20MM in other guarantees throughout the contract. Whatever he is due beyond the bonus in those first 2 years would become guaranteed on the 3rd day of the new league year. After 2016 more and more of the contract would become more playtime and performance based. So if he is still playing at a high level, he'll get paid at the highest levels
11. This I think gives both sides what they want. I'm comfortable that the Pats are willing to pay him top dollar, as long as he's playing like the elite player he is right now. When the day comes when he becomes
"merely" a good player (ie top 20 CB) The Pats want his pay to reflect that new reality.
12. What the Pats want is not another Logan Mankins situation, where they have to let go a "good" player because he's making a great players' pay check (cap number). Something like this, I think, would do the trick.
They can keep him next year for 20m & I believe that year/cost was added to the contract to prevent them from franchising him in 2015.
They could always say they are going to pay him 20 million in 2015 & then franchise him in 2016 as a negotiation point.
Actually I added the 4th and 5th years on for Revis' sake figuring he'd want this contract to be his last. If he were happy with a 3 year deal, I'd be thrilled for the Pats because my risk of not getting elite play for the duration of the contract would shrink to about only a year at best. With a 3 year deal I'd be much more willing to bet I'd get elite play for the entire timeWhy would Revis want to sign more than a 3-year contract? Perhaps 3/$42M will be enough; perhaps not. I think that adding a 4th and 5th year with lots and lots of protections for the patriots accomplishes nothing for Revis.
Oh, I agree, if we bring back Revis and McCourty, this defense is going to get better, especially with Mayo, Easley, Dennard and Buchannon coming back and our still young secondary getting a year better.I also believe that we'll have a pretty good defense for the next 3-4 years. However, I would note that there are those on this board who would cut the following players unless they take pay cuts: Browner, Arrington, Mayo and Wilfork. I think someone even included Ninkovich. Thankfully, Belichick likely has other ideas.
That would mean paying Revis $50 million in two years. If Revis plays 2015 with his $25m cap number, it would cost $30 million to franchise tag him in 2016. Revis would be a fool not to immediately sign the franchise tag in 2016.
That would mean paying Revis $50 million in two years. If Revis plays 2015 with his $25m cap number, it would cost $30 million to franchise tag him in 2016. Revis would be a fool not to immediately sign the franchise tag in 2016.
Miguel-
Given your studies on the Pats deals over the years, any thoughts on what a long-term deal with Revis might look like? The first thought I had, given his age and ability, was the Randy Moss deal adjusted for current salaries at the CB position.
I have to think it would be a 3 year deal to coincide with bradys. I think it gets done. Some teams may offer him 18mil but does the allure of back to back super bowls make up for the extra couple mil? Judging from revis reaction I think it will
Belichick pays for elite talent and I expect gostowski, revis and mccourty back.