POST Game Thread: It was the Best of Times, It was the Worst of Times Edition

[manxman2601]

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Vikings wide receiver Cordarrelle Patterson saw his impact on the offense slip gradually throughout the season until the last two weeks when he’s gone off the radar completely.

Patterson has played just four offensive snaps in the last two games, leaving him with the desire to check in with coach Mike Zimmer about his place on the team. On Thursday, Patterson said that they had a meeting and that he was left feeling better about things without divulging what the two of them talked about."

Yeah, Ausbacker is sure. Just about everybody who wears red,white and blue is. You see ,it goes like this, WE will take the player who's making impact plays all over the field on defense, playing all three downs and being talked up league wide for the Pro Bowl. YOU can have the malcontent that has steadily diminished to almost absolute obscurity the past four weeks. I believe WE are sure of that.

You don't do irony do you? You do however keep embarrassing yourself. I love your posts because it means I know there will always be someone stupider than me.

 

[Joker]

BTW, hate to break in on the RB tempest BUT...I have not seen any replays yet of the TD "catch" by Wallace at the end of the half. EYESIGHT in real time from close I CAN tell all of you, that was no TD. He landed all kinds of body parts out of bounds as he brought that ball under control. Besides that, he blatantly pushed off and got no call. Sure I'm a homer but I'm not blind. I know what I SAW. All I can think is they wanted to keep the Fins in the game for the 2nd half. In fact, that crew made more than a few weirdo calls the first half.

 

[Rob0729]

I agree it was a below average running day overall. What lead to that we disagree on, The Dolphins certainly are not a good run defense.

1)Vereen has NEVER flashed as an early down back, certainly didn't occur today.

2) 100 yards is an arbitrary number without context. Gray played for less than a quarter before becoming our leading rusher today. Context.

3) you were pimping Vereen pretty hard in the game thread as if he did a damn thing on any down not named 3rd.

If the Dolphins are a bad run defense, the Pats are in trouble because no one looked particular good especially the o-line who got owned in run blocking in the first half and only really blocked well on that one drive in the third and when the game was over. The Dolphins had a good run defense for most of the season and sucked the previous three games. Hopefully, they are actually better than they are.

100 yards is an arbitrary number, but six carries in meaningful time is not a great sample size to judge a RB. In those six carries, Gray got half of them on one carry.

I was saying Vereen was in at RB because he is proven player who is a proven weapon for the Pats. I never said how either way. He is a run and pass threat. Depending on what the Pats' game plan was, they may wanted that versatility. Even though he is much better receiver than runner.

 

[woolster22]

I agree and if you look at the thread I approved of that call. As it was 3rd down. A usual passing down.

I want disagreeing, simply engaging the point you were making.

"JOSH MACDONALD'S" fascination with shotgun sets featuring interior runs with Vereen against garbage run defenses is disturbing at best.

 

[Rob0729]

The Blount td was a product of following his fullback who blew the edge open for him.

I totally agree with it. That is a reason why the running game worked in the third quarter. The Pats changed up the game plan and went from a lot of one back sets like they were in the first half to two back sets. I never said otherwise. In fact, I said that putting two backs in there was a reason why the offense did an 180 in the second half.

 

[woolster22]

BTW, hate to break in on the RB tempest BUT...I have not seen any replays yet of the TD "catch" by Wallace at the end of the half. EYESIGHT in real time from close I CAN tell all of you, that was no TD. He landed all kinds of body parts out of bounds as he brought that ball under control. Besides that, he blatantly pushed off and got no call. Sure I'm a homer but I'm not blind. I know what I SAW. All I can think is they wanted to keep the Fins in the game for the 2nd half. In fact, that crew made more than a few weirdo calls the first half.

After screaming at the television all first half, I started getting the grub ready during this drive. My teenage sister, who was giving me crap for yelling at the television, was telling at the television after this ruling.

 

[West Philly Patriot]

If the Dolphins are a bad run defense, the Pats are in trouble because no one looked particular good especially the o-line who got owned in run blocking in the first half and only really blocked well on that one drive in the third and when the game was over. The Dolphins had a good run defense for most of the season and sucked the previous three games. Hopefully, they are actually better than they are.

100 yards is an arbitrary number, but six carries in meaningful time is not a great sample size to judge a RB. In those six carries, Gray got half of them on one carry.

I was saying Vereen was in at RB because he is proven player who is a proven weapon for the Pats. I never said how either way. He is a run and pass threat. Depending on what the Pats' game plan was, they may wanted that versatility. Even though he is much better receiver than runner.

I'm sorry, have the pats given up 6 football fields in the last 3 games on the ground?

Well you have the colossal colts game and today now to evaluate.

Vereen is an above average receiving back and a well below average runner. Woodhead by contrast was much better with the ball in his hands.

 

[rochrist]

And in those six carries, he showed more than Blount has in weeks.

There is no logical case for playing Blount over Gray, just some stammering and obfuscating and cliches like, "tried and true" or whatever.

This is an overstatement.

 

[Rob0729]

I'm sorry, have the pats given up 6 football fields in the last 3 games on the ground?

What do the Pats' defense have to do with anything?

 

[woolster22]

I totally agree with it. That is a reason why the running game worked in the third quarter. The Pats changed up the game plan and went from a lot of one back sets like they were in the first half to two back sets. I never said otherwise. In fact, I said that putting two backs in there was a reason why the offense did an 180 in the second half.

And you ridiculed me for calling for this in the game thread...

 

[Joker]

You don't do irony do you? You do however keep embarrassing yourself. I love your posts because it means I know there will always be someone stupider than me.

How am I supposed to see the irony in that post when you consistently pose as the most pompous know-it-all bigmouth braggart on these threads? Do you or have you EVER even seen a Patriots game live? You come across as a frontrunner who's chosen the Patriots to "root" for so you can push your "knower of all things NFL personnel". Look, I'll take a look at the game thread and see what kind of positivity YOU bring as a Patriots fan to the discourse. I'm assuming of course you posted during the first half. We'll see who the stupid, arrogant, condescending punk is.

 

[West Philly Patriot]

What do the Pats' defense have to do with anything?

Post was sent before I finished by accident, my apologies. Read it now. I was responding to your saying: "if the Dolphins are bad, the pats are in trouble"

 

[Rob0729]

And you ridiculed me for calling for this in the game thread...

I said in IN THE FIRST HALF Blount was not getting lead blocker help. I said in the second half, the Pats' changed things up.

 

[rochrist]

I want disagreeing, simply engaging the point you were making.

"JOSH MACDONALD'S" fascination with shotgun sets featuring interior runs with Vereen against garbage run defenses is disturbing at best.

Seriously, do all of you think Josh designs the gameplan in complete isolation? You don't think BB has something to say about it? Brady? Personally, I think all three are heavily involved, and I think the play that is ultimately run has a lot to do with what Brady decides.

 

[Oswlek]

This is an overstatement.

If so, it's just barely. This isn't just for the Miami game. Even when getting a carry or two the past couple weeks, you could see immediately that he brought something that Blount doesn't.

 

[woolster22]

LOL! Thank God you are not the Pats' OC. "Ok, we can kill the Dolphins with the short passing game all day because they are weak in the LB and safety corp, but hey let's just run the ball because the Dolphins can rush the passer even though they have yet to touch Brady. We need to stop Brady from hypothetically getting killed."

That was posted around one thirty, directed at me after railing on play calling before the interception. I had been vocal about wanting Develin in the game before kick off.

 

[Rob0729]

I'm sorry, have the pats given up 6 football fields in the last 3 games on the ground?

Well you have the colossal colts game and today now to evaluate.

Vereen is an above average receiving back and a well below average runner. Woodhead by contrast was much better with the ball in his hands.

We don't have much from today. We have six runs. That doesn't tell anyone he should be the lead back. If and when he carries it 15-20 times again, then we have a sample size. He shows some promise, but it isn't enough to draw any conclusions.

 

[West Philly Patriot]

Seriously, do all of you think Josh designs the gameplan in complete isolation? You don't think BB has something to say about it? Brady? Personally, I think all three are heavily involved, and I think the play that is ultimately run has a lot to do with what Brady decides.

Ok, I'll bite.

So coming in the Dolphins have given up 661 on the ground in the last 3....Which one of BB, McD, or Brady is calling for short quick throws and Vereen draws on 1st and 10 to open the game....

 

[woolster22]

I said in IN THE FIRST HALF Blount was not getting lead blocker help. I said in the second half, the Pats' changed things up.

And you were giving me **** in the game thread, in real time, for being unhappy with the play calling to start the game. You don't get to change things up now.

 

[rochrist]

Ok, I'll bite.

So coming in the Dolphins have given up 661 on the ground in the last 3....Which one of BB, McD, or Brady is calling for short quick throws and Vereen draws on 1st and 10 to open the game....

Probably the coaching staff that saw the Dolphins LBing corps decimated and saw a lot of yards to be gained. A notion that, I might add, was working very well on the opening drive until the LB managed a rather flukey interception by managing to tip the pass.

And again, do you think Josh came up with that all by himself?