Browner's penalty negating McCourty TD

[RayClay]

No. They just have an understanding of it and can see how the zebra kicked the **** out of the call.

You don't think they instituted tight rules about hitting a defenseless receiver in the neck area after Stingley got paralyzed? That absolutely used to be a legal hit. If people want to try to parse every word disagreeing with the rule, that's fine, but I didn't write it and I didn't call it.

I'm willing to bet the league doesn't retract it and probably adds on to it, so we'll see if I'm right.

That's the league, not me.

 

[Kontradiction]

You don't think they instituted tight rules about hitting a defenseless receiver in the neck area after Stingley got paralyzed? That absolutely used to be a legal hit. If people want to try to parse every word disagreeing with the rule, that's fine, but I didn't write it and I didn't call it.

I'm willing to bet the league doesn't retract it and probably adds on to it, so we'll see if I'm right.

That's the league, not me.

He didn't hit him in the head or the neck area. He hit Green in the shoulder. So, that said, if the league fines Brower, all they're doing is doubling down. But it wouldn't surprise me if they did given who is in charge of this dog and pony show.

 

[RayClay]

He didn't hit him in the head or the neck area. He hit Green in the shoulder. So, that said, if the league fines Brower, all they're doing is doubling down. But it wouldn't surprise me if they did given who is in charge of this dog and pony show.

If you don't think that was the neck area fine. there are plenty of pictures. I don't know where the neck "area" would be since the rule doesn't say it has to be right in the neck, but OK.

 

[Kontradiction]

If you don't think that was the neck area fine. there are plenty of pictures. I don't know where the neck "area" would be since the rule doesn't say it has to be right in the neck, but OK.

All which show contact with the shoulder. How you could honestly think that's the neck is beyond me. GIF's rewind the same pic and play it over and over again an infinite amount of times. Please watch it when you get a chance.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

Exactly how I feel. They do not define anything and keep things very vague, its frustrating. People wonder why there is so much disparity with these calls.

The 5% conspiracy theorist in me thinks they purposely want things to be vague so that they have more control over situations in games

 

[Ring 6]

He didn't hit him in the head or the neck area. He hit Green in the shoulder. So, that said, if the league fines Brower, all they're doing is doubling down. But it wouldn't surprise me if they did given who is in charge of this dog and pony show.

The part of the body that is below the facemask is called the neck.
The top of Browners shoulder pads made contact with the facemask and he continued forward, into the receiver.
It is a simple case of physics and common sense that Browner made contact with the neck as well as the 'neck area' which you have already agreed to by calling it the shoulder.
The shoulder is directly adjacent to the neck, so in the English language the term 'neck area' would have to include at the least, the inner most portion of the shoulder.
Anyone disagreeing with this is simply in denial.

 

[Ring 6]

Anyone who can look at this picture and say Green was not hit in the neck, much less neck area is lying.
Hell the "NER" in Browner is in his cheek.

 

[IllegalContact]

Blandino said it was the wrong call. I said it was the wrong call, 21 times now.
Blandino said he was defenseless and the hit was to the head and neck area, and I said he was defenseless and the hit was to the head and neck area.
The only difference between Blandinos words and mine was that he questioned whether the 'force of the blow' was the illegal area or lower, but there is nothing in the rule about the force of the blow.

You will note that Blandino made no comment about the hit NOT being to the head or neck area (he said it was) and that Blandino made no comment saying that bobbling or being able to abandon the play to protect himself had anything to do with it.

In short Blandino agrees on the one thing we both agree upon, that it was not head to head, and on every point he agrees with me and disagrees or dismisses everything you say.

simply not true no matter how much you repeat it

 

[IllegalContact]

Anyone who can look at this picture and say Green was not hit in the neck, much less neck area is lying.
Hell the "NER" in Browner is in his cheek.

taken out of context.....look at the video

 

[IllegalContact]

He was still bobbling it so by definition he had not caught it yet so that makes him defenseless according to the NFL. As soon as the ball gets there he can be blasted just not in the head or "neck area" which is why you do not have people bobbling it all the way down the field.
I fully get that this is a game played by big strong crazy fast men and the target area is very small so being off by 6 inches is actually quite impressive and some real credit needs to be given to Browner for twitching his head to the side to lead with his shoulder. I just wish he had bent his knee a little so the beautiful booming blow was legal. The thing that kills me is that if he had caught it in stride it would have been a completly legal hit

again, only one side of the rule.....the other side says the if he is capable of avoiding/warding (and he obviously was), then the receiver is not defenseless.........people can talk about the catch part all they want, but they can't deny that he didn't have a chance to avoid. and it doesn't say chance to avoid after the catch.

he had a chance to avoid......he chose to instead continue to try and catch the ball and got cleanly jacked up

keep up the good work Brandon.......

 

[Ring 6]

simply not true no matter how much you repeat it

So now you cannot even accept a fact?
Please tell me which piece(s) of how I described Blandinos comments is/are wrong?
Here I will give you a list to work from. You can just list the ones you disagree with and we can agree on the others.
1) Blandino said it was not helmet to helmet
2) He said it was shoulder to facemask, ie head and neck area
3) He said the receiver was defenseless
4) He said absolutely nothing about bobbling having any impact on the issue
5) The reason he said it was close was because it was hard to tell the point of the force of the blow
6) He made no comment about Green being able to protect himself or choose that over trying to catch the ball

There you go, my entire transcript of his comments. Which of the 6 did he not say. I won't make you admit to the ones he did, you can just omit them from your list of what he didn't.

 

[yukon cornelius]

taken out of context.....look at the video

to top it off, if you look at this EXACT same moment in time from another angle you see space between helmets AND between the shoulder and face mask


he hit shoulder with shoulder.....green's head initially came forward and then snapped back.....but there was space between

 

[yukon cornelius]

my neck runs down to my chest.....so the chest is neck area

my spine runs through my neck down to my ass....so my ass is neck area

 

[Ring 6]

taken out of context.....look at the video

How can a picture that shows which body parts connected with each other be out of context?
Remember the rule also states that it doesn't matter if the contact initiated lower.
Simple question, did Browner make contact with the neck area of Green?

 

[Ring 6]

my neck runs down to my chest.....so the chest is neck area

In the English language, the top of your chest would certainly be the neck area.

my spine runs through my neck down to my ass....so my ass is neck area

The top of your spine would be in your neck area, the bottom in your ass area.
Are we really having a hard time understanding this?

 

[IllegalContact]

So now you cannot even accept a fact?
Please tell me which piece(s) of how I described Blandinos comments is/are wrong?
Here I will give you a list to work from. You can just list the ones you disagree with and we can agree on the others.
1) Blandino said it was not helmet to helmet
2) He said it was shoulder to facemask, ie head and neck area
3) He said the receiver was defenseless
4) He said absolutely nothing about bobbling having any impact on the issue
5) The reason he said it was close was because it was hard to tell the point of the force of the blow
6) He made no comment about Green being able to protect himself or choose that over trying to catch the ball

There you go, my entire transcript of his comments. Which of the 6 did he not say. I won't make you admit to the ones he did, you can just omit them from your list of what he didn't.

and he did not say the call was correct.....which he would have if he felt it was

but please......don't stop.....keep going.....

 

[yukon cornelius]

In the English language, the top of your chest would certainly be the neck area.


The top of your spine would be in your neck area, the bottom in your ass area.
Are we really having a hard time understanding this?

no, you're being purposefully obtuse to try and save your flagging point

 

[QuantumMechanic]

To paraphrase Troy Brown, if the "defenseless receiver rule" applies to someone bobbling the ball, what's stopping a receiver from continually bobbling the ball as he runs down the field so no one can touch him?.

************! Have people suddenly be struck unable to read? (And apparently that includes Troy Brown). The rule does not prevent anyone from hitting a receiver bobbling the ball. It only prevents hitting them in the "head or neck area" with the shoulder, head, or forearm.

So if a receiver was doing what you and Troy say, the defender is free to blast him into next week by planting a shoulder into his chest, for example.

 

[Ring 6]

to top it off, if you look at this EXACT same moment in time from another angle you see space between helmets AND between the shoulder and face mask

Are you saying that no part of Browner made contact with the facemask? Really?Care to show me a clip that supports that?

he hit shoulder with shoulder.....green's head initially came forward and then snapped back.....but there was space between

He sort of hit shoulder to shoulder. He hit the center of his chest to the outside of his shoulder to the outside of Greens should to Greens neck and chin.

 

[IllegalContact]

In the English language, the top of your chest would certainly be the neck area.


The top of your spine would be in your neck area, the bottom in your ass area.
Are we really having a hard time understanding this?

didn't get hit in the top of the chest, but don'e let that stop you.....keep going ...... please