Brady6
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I do not get it.
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Honestly do not know what your beef is but I go out of my way to be respectful to you and not just, because you are a moderator, I do it because I value what you have to say normally, this is not of value though, and not appreciated. I am not playing a game, I am trying to have a discussionOf course you don't.
Honestly do not know what your beef is but I go out of my way to be respectful to you and not just, because you are a moderator, I do it because I value what you have to say normally, this is not of value though, and not appreciated. I am not playing a game, I am trying to have a discussion
Fair enough, my apologies for personalizing it. I am a sensitive poster...Stop taking everything so personally. Not belittling you. You didn't get it. It was obvious.
I don't understand the Brady missing wide open Wr's people.Brady did the same thing in his prime so does every other QB.When is
the last time a QB went 35,35 on throws? QB's are not robots.
Give me a break - is the point of this thread REALLY to suggest the Patriots will trade Brady before the trading deadline on October 28th? REALLY? And hand the team over to a rookie who has yet to play against NFL starters?
REALLY?
And now we're comparing Brady to BERNIE FRIGGEN KOSAR? There's no way those two should be mentioned in the same sentence. Really.
Yes there would be $18M combined of dead money but that is lower than the current cap hit each season. So while the dead money looks daunting it actually saves against the cap.
As of now his 2016 cap hit is scheduled to be $14 million, therefore a post 6/1/15 trade creates cap Space in both 2015+2016
The bottom line is that trading him after the year would mean an $18M dead money cap hit. However over the next two years that hit is $27M if he stays so we'd actually save money despite the massive cap hit.I'm afraid I haven't been following too closely lately...can someone who has been following summarize Miguel's thoughts on the matter so we don't have to bother with uninformed opinion pieces from mediates?
Well, what I see above:
The bottom line is that trading him after the year would mean an $18M dead money cap hit. However over the next two years that hit is $27M if he stays so we'd actually save money despite the massive cap hit.
How the dead money is handled depends on the timing but it's $18M regardless. A trade before 6/1/15 means the entire hit happens in 2015 and we lose $5M in cap in 2015 but gain $14M in 2016. A trade after 6/1/15 means the hit is split to $6M in 2015 and $12M in 2016 which means we gain $7M in 2015 and gain $2M in 2016. Either way we gain $9M over the two year period.
Give me a break - is the point of this thread REALLY to suggest the Patriots will trade Brady before the trading deadline on October 28th? REALLY? And hand the team over to a rookie who has yet to play against NFL starters?
REALLY?
And now we're comparing Brady to BERNIE FRIGGEN KOSAR? There's no way those two should be mentioned in the same sentence. Really.
The bottom line is that trading him after the year would mean an $18M dead money cap hit. However over the next two years that hit is $27M if he stays so we'd actually save money despite the massive cap hit.
How the dead money is handled depends on the timing but it's $18M regardless. A trade before 6/1/15 means the entire hit happens in 2015 and we lose $5M in cap in 2015 but gain $14M in 2016. A trade after 6/1/15 means the hit is split to $6M in 2015 and $12M in 2016 which means we gain $7M in 2015 and gain $2M in 2016. Either way we gain $9M over the two year period.
That's all from reading and digesting Miguel's posts and tweets. I'm not nearly smart enough to figure it out on my own.
There is still a number of things that need to play out but it is by no means a lock that TB is with the Pats in 2015.
How the dead money is handled depends on the timing but it's $18M regardless. A trade before 6/1/15 means the entire hit happens in 2015 and we lose $5M in cap in 2015 but gain $14M in 2016. A trade after 6/1/15 means the hit is split to $6M in 2015 and $12M in 2016 which means we gain $7M in 2015 and gain $2M in 2016. Either way we gain $9M over the two year period.
That's all from reading and digesting Miguel's posts and tweets. I'm not nearly smart enough to figure it out on my own.
Good stuff, thanks for the breakdown. That's much clearer. And thanks to @Miguel , as always for figuring this stuff out for us.
My own two cents - I'd personally be surprised if they felt incurring $18 million in dead money to save $9M in cap space over 2 years is worth losing his services. They'd have to simply prefer starting Garopollo at that point for that to happen. And/or get a haul via trade.
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Exactly. You should look at the money that can be saved, and make decision from that. Not from what the dead money is. That money will be there whatever we do. Cap cuts comes down to what can we save by releasing the player, and can we use that cap space to become better than we would be with the player.That's going to exist no matter what, so it's essentially a sunk cost. (The only question is when it hits the cap, not if). The question is whether or not they get back more than they give up, and whether or not they feel that a mid-20s Garoppolo offers more long-term value than a late-30s Brady.