Brady's Contract

[patsfan-1982]

his not going anywhere this season and if they Draft a G and Draft or sign a WR next year he could play out his contract and retire a patriot

 

[manxman2601]

Plus BB did not draft Kosar or ride him to 3 Super Bowl titles...

Kosar was terrible at that point, Brady is a long long way from that point. If they actually traded him for picks i would turn off football, most likely for good.

Both points may be reasonable but both are irrelevant to what I was saying. Brady6 posited the notion that BB would not trade Brady because he's "the face of the franchise". There may be many reasons why BB won't trade Brady but I was just pointing out that being the "face of the franchise" is not one of them as the Kosar episode demonstrates.

The only reason BB doesn't voluntarily move on from Brady is because it will suit the needs of the product on the field. The moment BB feels that the football team is better served by moving on from Brady, then that's exactly what he will do. Sentimentality/loyalty will play no part in his decision. Bob Kraft on the other hand...

 

[DarrylS]

Comparing the Kosar to the Brady situation is folly... and to think that they will trade Brady is idiotic. I the last three years the Brown's record with him as QB was 3-10(1990), 6-10(91) and 2-5(92).. BB did what he thought was best for the team.

#12 will remain at Foxboro until he chooses to retire, Mr. Kraft is a businessman first and an NFL owner second.. he knows that Brady is the face of his "product" and even though they will recover without Brady he will do little to damage what has been accomplished(44% increase in value last year alone)....

 

[Miguel]

FWIW - The 2014 trading deadline is October 28th. After that date if Brady is cut he would be subject to waivers as all veterans would be after the trade deadline expiration.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

The $18 million in unamortized signing bonus hits the Pats' cap no matter what. $18 million hits the cap (sooner or later) if he stays and plays, if he is traded (whenever), or if he is cut.

The issue is the $24 million in salary for 2015 - 2017. That becomes fully guaranteed at the end of this year. It would hit the Pats cap immediately if they release him. It would transfer to the new team if they trade him. It wouldn't be paid and wouldn't hit anybody's cap if he retires. If he plays, it hits the Pats cap, year by year.

The best scenario for the Pats is having Brady play for another year or two, healthy, and at a high level of performance.

The worse scenario (for all intents and purposes, not an option) would be to release him.

Trade or retirement are manageable from a cap standpoint, but better the further he goes: after 2016 would be better than after 2015 and 2015 would be better than after 2014.

Right, but in Barnwell's piece, I think he only quoted the bonus figures. Maybe I worded it incorrectly by mentioning it after the guarantee at the end of the year but I think Barnwell got it mostly right, minus correction in some figures from Miguel.

And I know every cap has dead money on it, but it's still quite a formidable chunk of money. I appreciate the arguments that we would "save" money against the cap in certain scenarios rather than paying Brady, but even if we had to get a quality veteran back-up, that would more or less eat that up. I'd rather spend the extra several million on TB12, although I know it's not quite that simple, especially if we're talking about Jimmy eventually taking over and us having the most expensive back-up in the league.

 

[borg]

Why the **** we even talking about this Brady is the best quarterback in the league at his age

Really?

 

[Luxusdk]

I look at the dates as the keys...

1 option is after the season, but before playoff begins. Patriots not in the playoff, "rebuilding" may be a good option. If they are in the playoff, they aint tradeing him.

2 option is shortly after Superbowl. Patriots enter playoff but is eliminatet before the big game, and this option comes in handy.

3 option is keeping Brady on low QB Money for the NeXT 3 years. Patriots wins Superbowl, and removeing Brady is almost impossible, Brady is still Brady AND Patriots nation would go nuts if they did trade him.

 

[shmessy]

Comparing the Kosar to the Brady situation is folly... and to think that they will trade Brady is idiotic. I the last three years the Brown's record with him as QB was 3-10(1990), 6-10(91) and 2-5(92).. BB did what he thought was best for the team.

#12 will remain at Foxboro until he chooses to retire, Mr. Kraft is a businessman first and an NFL owner second.. he knows that Brady is the face of his "product" and even though they will recover without Brady he will do little to damage what has been accomplished(44% increase in value last year alone)....

Tell me when in the past 15 years (or EVER for that fact) has BB or Kraft acted on "Player Above Team"?

Right now, and hopefully for several more years, Tom Brady is the best option at QB for the New England Patriots.

The moment he isn't, BB will replace him.

Anyone thinking otherwise are seeing the world like Redskin fans.

 

[DarrylS]

Tell me when in the past 15 years (or EVER for that fact) has BB or Kraft acted on "Player Above Team"?

Right now, and hopefully for several more years, Tom Brady is the best option at QB for the New England Patriots.

The moment he isn't, BB will replace him.

Anyone thinking otherwise are seeing the world like Redskin fans.

This will be a first.. the whole thing about Garapolo was that they had about three drafts to "get it right" and if he was not the guy they thought he was, then they would keep on trying..

I stand by what I said, Mr. Kraft is a businessman first and will not hurt his "product"... this whole argument verges on another sky if falling thread.

My prediction is when #12 walks away on his terms, he will be part of the Patriots Organization in some form..

 

[shmessy]

This will be a first.. the whole thing about Garapolo was that they had about three drafts to "get it right" and if he was not the guy they thought he was, then they would keep on trying..

I stand by what I said, Mr. Kraft is a businessman first and will not hurt his "product"... this whole argument verges on another sky if falling thread.

My prediction is when #12 walks away on his terms, he will be part of the Patriots Organization in some form..

I certainly hope your prediction comes true.

However, if he becomes a detriment to the team winning ,he will be replaced.

It is what it is.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I look at the dates as the keys...

1 option is after the season, but before playoff begins. Patriots not in the playoff, "rebuilding" may be a good option. If they are in the playoff, they aint tradeing him.

2 option is shortly after Superbowl. Patriots enter playoff but is eliminatet before the big game, and this option comes in handy.

3 option is keeping Brady on low QB Money for the NeXT 3 years. Patriots wins Superbowl, and removeing Brady is almost impossible, Brady is still Brady AND Patriots nation would go nuts if they did trade him.

1 and 2 aren't actually options. After the trade deadline teams can't trade players until free agency starts.

 

[Ivan]

Both points may be reasonable but both are irrelevant to what I was saying. Brady6 posited the notion that BB would not trade Brady because he's "the face of the franchise". There may be many reasons why BB won't trade Brady but I was just pointing out that being the "face of the franchise" is not one of them as the Kosar episode demonstrates.

The only reason BB doesn't voluntarily move on from Brady is because it will suit the needs of the product on the field. The moment BB feels that the football team is better served by moving on from Brady, then that's exactly what he will do. Sentimentality/loyalty will play no part in his decision. Bob Kraft on the other hand...

I basically agree with this, Belichick is deliberately as calculating as a Coach/GM can be because he realized a long long time ago that sentimentality can easily get in the way of making the right decisions in those capacities. It's not that he doesn't like, respect , or value player's it is that he knows how easily that can cloud judgement and that his real responsibility is to the team first and not the individual player's. That said such a decision in this case is a little more complicated because although the Kraft's have given Belichick absolute power when it comes to all football decisions this one would require that the Kraft's sign off on it, and while I believe they would ultimately do so it won't be easy for them, especially given that Brady has consistently put the team first and not been a mercenary, and is by far and away the greatest player in team history

That said trading Brady at this point would be the dumbest thing this team has ever done and would cause me to really question their commitment to winning for the first time in the Kraft era, as well as Belichick's sanity. Brady is not the problem with this team, and that was once again demonstrated the other night, given even a modicum of help from those around him he is an elite QB and will continue to be so for some time to come, and there is absolutely no way that they could ever get value for him in return as the only thing that would provide it would be an Andrew Luck scenario, and that is a 1 in a million type of scenario, as even the top picks rarely turn into GOAT candidates.

 

[Ivan]

Comparing the Kosar to the Brady situation is folly... and to think that they will trade Brady is idiotic. I the last three years the Brown's record with him as QB was 3-10(1990), 6-10(91) and 2-5(92).. BB did what he thought was best for the team.

#12 will remain at Foxboro until he chooses to retire, Mr. Kraft is a businessman first and an NFL owner second.. he knows that Brady is the face of his "product" and even though they will recover without Brady he will do little to damage what has been accomplished(44% increase in value last year alone)....

I agree that getting rid of Brady would be monumentally stupid however those saying that they wouldn't do so because he is the face of the franchise are wrong, they would do so if it were in the best interests of the team and winning, however that is simply not the case so it is a moot point. saving money and getting draft picks never match the value of having an elite QB, and pretty much every team knows that. You will always get the draftnik argument that they could get two firsts for him, yady, yady, yada, but Brady is going to do exactly what Manning did in Denver and take any team to the play-off's and possibly a SB, and no amount of late round first rounders will ever substitute for losing a QB of that caliber. Personally i wouldn't care if they got 5 first rounders for him, it would still not be enough for exactly the reason i just stated. The only reason the Manning deal worked out for Indy was because they already had a franchise QB lined up to take his place, there was no crapshoot in it for them and they knew it. However there is no Andrew Luck on the horizon, and there is no lock in place for the Patriots to get one if there was., so it sill simply never be worth it for them.

 

[DarrylS]

I certainly hope your prediction comes true.

However, if he becomes a detriment to the team winning ,he will be replaced.

It is what it is.

Perhaps it is my Brady Idealism and belief in BB, that they will know and work this out to help with the transition... the first person to know will be #12 when it is time to leave.

 

[manxman2601]

I basically agree with this, Belichick is deliberately as calculating as a Coach/GM can be because he realized a long long time ago that sentimentality can easily get in the way of making the right decisions in those capacities. It's not that he doesn't like, respect , or value player's it is that he knows how easily that can cloud judgement and that his real responsibility is to the team first and not the individual player's. That said such a decision in this case is a little more complicated because although the Kraft's have given Belichick absolute power when it comes to all football decisions this one would require that the Kraft's sign off on it, and while I believe they would ultimately do so it won't be easy for them, especially given that Brady has consistently put the team first and not been a mercenary, and is by far and away the greatest player in team history

That said trading Brady at this point would be the dumbest thing this team has ever done and would cause me to really question their commitment to winning for the first time in the Kraft era, as well as Belichick's sanity. Brady is not the problem with this team, and that was once again demonstrated the other night, given even a modicum of help from those around him he is an elite QB and will continue to be so for some time to come, and there is absolutely no way that they could ever get value for him in return as the only thing that would provide it would be an Andrew Luck scenario, and that is a 1 in a million type of scenario, as even the top picks rarely turn into GOAT candidates.

1. I absolutely agree that Kraft will most likely have a say in what happens to Brady.

2. The only thing I disagree with you on is that if BB really believes that he has something in Jimmy G then I can see him moving on although that won't be until next year at the earliest and probably wouldn't be until the 2016 season. Of course, it's perfectly possible Jimmy doesn't live up to the hype or regresses between now and then.

3. I actually do think Brady was one of the weaker parts of the team the other day - and i'm only talking about onfield skills here (heart is an altogether different matter) - he was throwing to wide open receivers a lot of the time, completions most QBs would make but he also missed on deep balls and wasn't giving his receivers easy receptions a lot of the time. Purely in terms of passing skills, I think Jimmy G could have matched or bettered Brady last Sunday. But, Bradys desire is a whole other matter and whilst Brady retains that x-factor he'll be here until he either loses that or until it can no longer compensate for declining skills.

 

[Ivan]

1. I absolutely agree that Kraft will most likely have a say in what happens to Brady.

2. The only thing I disagree with you on is that if BB really believes that he has something in Jimmy G then I can see him moving on although that won't be until next year at the earliest and probably wouldn't be until the 2016 season. Of course, it's perfectly possible Jimmy doesn't live up to the hype or regresses between now and then.

3. I actually do think Brady was one of the weaker parts of the team the other day - and i'm only talking about onfield skills here (heart is an altogether different matter) - he was throwing to wide open receivers a lot of the time, completions most QBs would make but he also missed on deep balls and wasn't giving his receivers easy receptions a lot of the time. Purely in terms of passing skills, I think Jimmy G could have matched or bettered Brady last Sunday. But, Bradys desire is a whole other matter and whilst Brady retains that x-factor he'll be here until he either loses that or until it can no longer compensate for declining skills.

Manx, i think it is impossible for us to evaluate Garrapolo at all at this time, and I think his knowledge of the Pro Game vs Brady is akin to that of a child in kindergarten compared to a Doctoral degree. I can't imagine Garrapolo reaching Brady's level of football knowledge for at least 6-7 years, if ever, and think Brady will have to really suck for an extended period of time before Belichick even considers swapping them out. A few good throws aren't going to do it.

 

[BelichickFan]

I'm really curious what TB12's trade value would be. Not because I want him traded, I'm just really, really curious what the value would be for an aging HoF QB.

 

[manxman2601]

Manx, i think it is impossible for us to evaluate Garrapolo at all at this time, and I think his knowledge of the Pro Game vs Brady is akin to that of a child in kindergarten compared to a Doctoral degree. I can't imagine Garrapolo reaching Brady's level of football knowledge for at least 6-7 years, if ever, and think Brady will have to really suck for an extended period of time before Belichick even considers swapping them out. A few good throws aren't going to do it.

I agree but I do think Brady is regressing, at least in terms of arm talent, and there will come a time when that becomes too much of a handicap for his outstanding character to overcome. Personally I don't think that will be for a couple of years.

 

[manxman2601]

I'm really curious what TB12's trade value would be. Not because I want him traded, I'm just really, really curious what the value would be for an aging HoF QB.

I don't know that a potential haul would be but you'd have yo think there would be suitors. Pretty much every QB needy team wanted in on Manning. I don't think we'd get multiple no 1s though. That seems excessive for 2-3 years of a franchise QB.

 

[BingoBrown]

I don't understand the Brady missing wide open Wr's people.Brady did the same thing in his prime so does every other QB.When is
the last time a QB went 35,35 on throws? QB's are not robots.