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ESPN SAM MONSON: Tom Brady is no longer a top-5 QB


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I'd be hard-pressed to think of a player there's less need to go on-line to defend than Tom Brady. Babe Ruth? Ted Williams? Jerry Rice? Bobby Orr? Bill Russell?

Honestly -- why bother? Tom's going to play pretty well this year. The nay-sayers and the rest of us will just have to wait to find out how well.
 
I don't get the hate for Brady I really don't the guy just wins and wills his team to victories. Even in the AFC championship game when they were down two touchdowns with little time left he kept fighting til the end yet people worship Manning who looks dumbstruck as soon as things start going wrong and they consider him better than Tom?? The last game of the 2013 season depicted Manning in the grandest stage of sports laying a total dud and embarrassment of a game but no one questions his decline only Tom's just because the Patriots drafted a QB goddammit the season can't start soon enough.
By the same token, remember how everyone was convinced the 2010 renegotiations of Brady's contact was going to be a nightmare compared to Peyton's and Brees'?
 
I think Monson's statistic is flawed because it fails to take into account opponent, injuries, receivers, and offensive line. Throwing under pressure begs the question of why was there pressure in the first place? The quarterback can't block, nor run a route and get open.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2013/passing.htm Brady's not top ten in passer rating in 2013, and finished 6th in yards passing behind Manning, Brees, Stafford, Ryan, and Rivers. Brady was 21st in completion percentage.

If Brady has all his weapons this year, those numbers will improve. He was still one of the last four QBs playing, so there's that. We're looking at John Elway at the end of his career, I think. Brady's not the QB he was seven years ago, but he can get the job done if his teammates and coaches carry more of the load.
 
Another thought in why Brady's individual stats might have slipped some last season is an injury question to his hand. Unlike some QB's who relish telling the media how tough they are in playing through injuries, Brady is notoriously tight lipped about revealing any of his. I've heard several reports this off season about some kind of hand injury he had to play with this last season. If its true, that can't be good for your accuracy or velocity and might explain about some of those numbers.

Rookie receivers, less than usual stellar protection, injuries to key receivers and OLmen, and injuries to himself are ALL mitigating factors in why the numbers slip. To me Brady passed the old eyeball test last season. Let's not forget the old adage, there are lies, big lies.....and then there are statistics. ;)
 
PFK, he did smash his hand on a helmet last season and I think we all noticed the effect it had. There were certainly some WTF throws during that game a couple after.

But, most of these opinion pieces really don't take a look at the game and the system he plays in. They come up with an assertion and try to find data to back it up. While stats help in football, it's very complex to determine what was suppose to happen on the film. Unless you are (A) the team that ran the play or (B) really a student of watching film. While I'm sure Ron Jaworski could probably break it down, he doesn't spend enough time on a single team to really get that level of detail.

And these media guys, even less ability and the route tree that the Pats run isn't the most simple of systems out there to diagnose.

I only wish opposing defensive coordinators listened to this guy and prepared less to play the Patriots. Unfortunately, they are probably too aware that Brady is still capable of putting the team on his shoulders and winning the game.
 
If choking like a dog in the playoffs is the standard by which all quarterbacks are to be measured, then Peyton Manning doesn't belong on the Mount Rushmore of NFL quarterbacks. He belongs on Mount Olympus.
 
I'm sure there is a quantitative way to demonstrate that environmental factors played a large role in Brady's "performance decline". I'd do it myself, but I've already promised one analysis for this forum that I've yet to deliver on. :rolleyes:
 
I love Drew Brees but how can anyone rate him over Brady when just over a year ago he led the Saints to a 7-9 record?

I don't want to hear the bounty gate scandal as an excuse either. ..
 
I love Drew Brees but how can anyone rate him over Brady when just over a year ago he led the Saints to a 7-9 record?

I don't want to hear the bounty gate scandal as an excuse either. ..

That's the funny thing about Brady and PFF. They discount Brady because they say he is a product of Belichick's/Patriots' system, yet you can argue a lot of Brees' success is due to Sean Peyton. Yes, Brees had almost 5200 yards and 43 TDs that season, but had a lower completion percentage than he usually has and he had a career high in INTs.

Now it is silly to say that Brees is a system QB or he is an elite QB because of Payton. But it is equally as dumb to claim Brady is a product of the Pats' system.
 
BTW, Monson is a marketing and sales guy in Dublin, Ireland. PFF is just a part time gig for the guy. I just looked up his bio. What makes him anymore qualified to judge NFL players than any one of us other than the fact he puts a bunch of stats that may or may not mean anything online.

Personally, I think most qualitative NFL stats on all these sites are more BS than anything of more insight. I think PFF is more BS than most because the data they have sucks to begin with. You look at their plain stats vs. the official ones and there are major inconsistencies.
 
BTW, Monson is a marketing and sales guy in Dublin, Ireland. PFF is just a part time gig for the guy. I just looked up his bio. What makes him anymore qualified to judge NFL players than any one of us other than the fact he puts a bunch of stats that may or may not mean anything online.

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So basically ESPN.com is narrowing the gap between itself and, say, Bleacher Report. Well done them. No wonder I never go to their site (except for Reiss/Yates) or watch their network anymore.
 
Realistically it comes down to weapon to quote Gisele "her husband cannot throw and catch the ball" and Manning, Brees, Rodgers had better weapons last season.

Rodgers
Nelson
Jones
Cobb
Finely

Brees
Graham
Colston
Stills
Moore
Sproles

Manning
D Thomas
J Thomas
Welker
Decker
 
Wait a second, this came from PFF?



Why the f.ck does this even have a thread?



The most useless sports site in history covers itself in glory yet again.


WTF, talk about wasting precious seconds out of my day.


As an irishman I can honestly say that I am disgusted that PFF was able to actually finD an american football fan who lives in their mother's basement in Dublin who was willing to write complete garbage for their completely garbage site.
 
The problem is that football is the ultimate team-oriented game, which in turn makes individual statistics less meaningful and relevant than they are in other sports. With the evolution of the internet and computers, more and more statistics are readily available compared to generations past, and current sport fans crave those stats - as do talking heads and written media types for their professions.

Blend in the fact that the NFL has by far become the nation's most popular sport, and you have the perfect storm for a stat-driven site such as PFF to not only become popular, to be given a free pass by far too many to question the validity of their data.


Exhibit A: Earlier in this thread Monson provides an example of Brady throwing an incomplete pass, missing his receiver by 6-7 yards. Immediately he diagnoses the blame as being solely on Brady, without ever considering any other possibility (e.g., the receiver ran a bad route and was in the incorrect spot).

Whether that is due to lack of training (never having worked as a coach or scout at any level), laziness, marketing (a desire to avoid pointing out a potential error in their stats, which would discredit their 'research'), the bottom line is that the data is corrupt - and therefore if not worthless, at minimum very suspect.


Exhibit B: Many of their stats rely far too much on information that they can not possibly know from watching a televised game, and others are simply too subjective. For example quarterbacks are rated on throwing under pressure, but conversely quarterbacks who sense the pressure sooner and react accordingly do not get that credit. A quarterback who maneuvers in the pocket to find a passing lane gets no credit, but a quarterback who has a pass tipped at the line gets that incomplete pass removed from his accuracy percentage. A quarterback who makes the mistake of throwing into double coverage is not chastised, but gets extra points if that pass is completed.


Exhibit C: A few years ago PFF's stats came to the conclusion that David Garrard was a better quarterback than Tom Brady; Stylez G. White was a better DE than Mario Williams and Jared Allen; Lamarr Woodley was better than DeMarcus Ware; Mike Vrabel (with KC) and Tamba Hali were better than Elvis Dumervil; Sione Pouha was a better DT than Vince Wilfork; Gary Guyton was a better LB than Jerod Mayo; and Jonathan Stewart, Justin Forsett, Jason Snelling, Ladell Betts, and Brian Leonard were all better running backs than Adrian Peterson.

Those type of rankings should have sent the developers of the site back to the drawing board, but instead they steadfastly defended them as being impeccable and beyond reproach. That stubbornness on PFF's part to defend their analysis rather than to even consider the possibility of the methodology being flawed makes me seriously doubt the validity of any of their research.
 
I hereby renounce my Irish (Fitzgerald) heritage and go all Scotsman!
 
The moron is on PFW in Progress now.
 
Can we please make Patsfans a PFF FREE ZONE. I swear to god sites like this are going to ruin this place and many others like it as people who don't know anything about football (Gym.....) are going to be coming out of the woodwork acting like they have football knowledge and basing all of their arguments around PFF's complete and utter garbage. God this sucks.




JUST SAY NO TO PFF!
 
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