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[Christiancat]

The only thing I see Andy doing is calling Boogs out on judging other people.

I don't think Boogs means any harm. But if you want to call someone out for judging make sure you call out Salempats. He calls Christians misguided for believing in God, but says that is not as bad as some Christians calling a gay a sinner. You have to judge to call someone misguided, a religious nut etc. In addition Salempats has attacked other Christians like Tebow not because he hurt anyone, but because he speaks about the bible, Jesus etc. Thus, he has called Tebow a religious nut. Which is not nice if you ask me.

 

[PP2]

That's for God to decide.

I will say this: God is Love.

Here's a good quote from John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life

What if a gay person was to believe in Jesus? Would this person be able to enter heaven?

Yeah.. I didn't think so.

 

[Christiancat]

What if a gay person was to believe in Jesus? Would this person be able to enter heaven?

Yeah.. I didn't think so.

That is for God to decide not me or you.

 

[PP2]

I don't think Boogs means any harm. But if you want to call someone out for judging make sure you call at Salempats. He calls Christians misguided for believing in God, but says that is not the same as calling a gay a sinner. You have to judge to call someone misguided, a religious nut etc. In addition Salempats has attacked other Christians that haven't even commented on any gay issues in America. Yet they call Tebow a religious nut. Which is not nice if you ask me.

Boogs does not condone homosexuality, that is being judgmental. He is being rightfully called out for being judgmental.

 

[PP2]

That is for God to decide not me or you.

But you have already decided that homosexuality is not "Christian."

If this and anything else, including the morality of homosexuality, is for God to decide, then why are you making judgment or passing comment on it?

 

[Christiancat]

Boogs does not condone homosexuality, that is being judgmental. He is being rightfully called out for being judgmental.

I disagree Boogs is a nice person. But what about a Tebow is that right to call him a religious nut? Also what about those who call out any and ever christian as misguided simply because they believe in God?

 

[Christiancat]

But you have already decided that homosexuality is not "Christian."

If this and anything else, including the morality of homosexuality, is for God to decide, then why are you making judgment or passing comment on it?

I am telling you what the bible says about said act. Christians can express what they interpret the bible deems right or wrong. But it is up to a God to decide who makes it into heaven. I mainly came to comment on this thread because of the unfair treatment Christians were getting as well as Boogs who is a very nice respectful poster. Sam's sexuality wasn't an issue for me. If you look at the first comment I made in this thread it was not stating this or that about gays. I came into voice my disgust for the bigotry and backwards arguments made against Jesus and his followers.

 

[PP2]

I disagree Boogs is a nice person. But what about a Tebow is that right to call him a religious nut? Also what about those who call out any and ever christian as misguided simply because they believe in God?

I have no idea who is calling Tebow a religious nut. That isn't the point of this thread.

I think you are confusing what we are discussing in this thread. We are not questioning any Christian's right to believe in God. We are questioning their right in judging other people when the bible specifically teaches them not to.

 

[PP2]

I am telling you what the bible says about said act. Christians can express what they interpret the bible deems right or wrong. But it is up to a God to decide who makes it into heaven. I mainly came to comment on this thread because of the unfair treatment Christians were getting as well as Boogs who is a very nice respectful poster. Sam's sexuality wasn't an issue for me. If you look at the first comment I made in this thread it was not stating this or that about gays. I came into voice my disgust for the bigotry and backwards arguments made against Jesus and his followers.

Christians can interpret what they think is right or wrong, but they don't have grounds to pass judgment on other people.

Again the issue is not Christians in general, but people who think they are real Christians yet engage in bias and bigotry.

Nobody is judging Jesus or his followers in this thread that I'm aware of.

Again the bible teaches YOU to not judge other people lest you be judged by God, but you have passed a judgment on gay people by saying they are sinning.

The bible may have made that judgment, but YOU don't have to. The bible does advise you not to judge.

 

[PP2]

Christians can express what they interpret the bible deems right or wrong.

Question for you in this regard:

There are far more passages and verses in the bible admonishing you not to judge other people, than there are passages and verses which in your view "condemn" homosexuality.

So in that regard, don't you think that the bible is placing more importance on the prior than the latter?

 

[Boogs]

boogs, do you have anything to base your belief on?

re choice, some people are bisexual -- that still doesn't mean they've made that choice, any more than you (presumably) or I chose to be heterosexual

and when you say that somebody needs psychological help because they are homosexual, that's where you're going off the track from your claims that you have nothing against homosexuals.

Do other sinners need psychological help, or just homosexuals? Is this some special sin requiring professional attention?

fwiw, I believe that your views are not borne of malice, having read your posts for some time. I'm curious whether you are older, maybe, along with being religious? that's how it comes across. both when you say things like this post and when you talk about homosexuals "flaunting" it, etc.

I can see why you'd react that way to my statement. But in order for a homosexual to change their behavior, it's my opinion that they would need counseling of some kind. If they don't want to change, then counseling is not needed. Same with alcoholics, smokers or sex addicts wanting to change their behaviors. It's probably a deep ingrained thing for some homosexuals. Thats what I'm saying.

 

[Ring 6]

I disagree Boogs is a nice person. But what about a Tebow is that right to call him a religious nut? Also what about those who call out any and ever christian as misguided simply because they believe in God?

Boggs may be a very nice person in many ways, but he is not nice person in his views toward the gay.

What does Tebow have to do with this?

It sounds like you are trying to divide the world between Christians and others and consider any disagreement with anyone on the Christian side to be solely an anti-Christian. I do not understand that.

My opinions on this matter are solely out of respect for the human being who happens to be gay, and my disgust in people treating them badly solely because of their orientation.

I consider myself to be a Christian, and my version of Christian is treating people fairly and with consideration even if they are different than me, or act in a way I disagree with. Isn't the basic tenant of Christianity loving your neighbor? Its ironic to me that the people identifying themselves as religious are the ones demeaning other human beings.

 

[Ring 6]

I can see why you'd react that way to my statement. But in order for a homosexual to change their behavior, it's my opinion that they would need counseling of some kind. If they don't want to change, then counseling is not needed. Same with alcoholics, smokers or sex addicts wanting to change their behaviors. It's probably a deep ingrained thing for some homosexuals. Thats what I'm saying.

Being gay is not a disease. Gay people do not want to change their behavior, you want to change their behavior.

 

[Boogs]

Where in the world did you get that from?
You are totally, 100% wrong, or you just made it up.

From wikipedia:

Francis M. Pottenger, Jr. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I heard that at a lecture. A Non-religious presentation actually. We'd have to find Pottenger's writings, not wikipedia.

 

[Boogs]

Being gay is not a disease. Gay people do not want to change their behavior, you want to change their behavior.

Some do want to change Andy.

 

[Boogs]

Boggs may be a very nice person in many ways, but he is not nice person in his views toward the gay.

What does Tebow have to do with this?

It sounds like you are trying to divide the world between Christians and others and consider any disagreement with anyone on the Christian side to be solely an anti-Christian. I do not understand that.

My opinions on this matter are solely out of respect for the human being who happens to be gay, and my disgust in people treating them badly solely because of their orientation.

I consider myself to be a Christian, and my version of Christian is treating people fairly and with consideration even if they are different than me, or act in a way I disagree with. Isn't the basic tenant of Christianity loving your neighbor? Its ironic to me that the people identifying themselves as religious are the ones demeaning other human beings.

I believe in doing the same thing Andy. But I'll call something a sin if I'm asked.

 

[Ring 6]

I am telling you what the bible says about said act. Christians can express what they interpret the bible deems right or wrong. But it is up to a God to decide who makes it into heaven. I mainly came to comment on this thread because of the unfair treatment Christians were getting as well as Boogs who is a very nice respectful poster. Sam's sexuality wasn't an issue for me. If you look at the first comment I made in this thread it was not stating this or that about gays. I came into voice my disgust for the bigotry and backwards arguments made against Jesus and his followers.

What negative comments were made about Jesus?
What negative comments were made about his followers, other than regarding disagreement with their opinions?
Do you mean to say that disagreeing with someone who identifies themselves as a christian on any topic is bashing christ and his followers? Surely you can't be saying that.

 

[Ring 6]

I believe in doing the same thing Andy. But I'll call something a sin if I'm asked.

Why is it any of your business to categorize what someone else does?

Do you disagree that anti-gay commentary, attitudes and actions have caused great amounts of stress, grief, unhappiness, depression, drug use and suicide among gays, especially young ones?

Isn't it a sin to judge another person? Isn't it Gods place to determine who is a sinner?
Where is your entitlement to cast the first stone?

Let me ask you this:
If Jesus were alive today, do you think he would be posting on this board about how wrong being gay is or do you think he would be defending people against judgment and supporting them?

 

[Ring 6]

I believe in doing the same thing Andy. But I'll call something a sin if I'm asked.

And you aren't doing that. You are saying they have psychological issues, should stop what they are doing and do what you want them to, and speak of gay people as if they are less than you.

I know a gay person who is a kind, considerate, caring person, who is attracted to the same sex, and is not ashamed of it, and has not intention to find a way to change. I believe this person will go to heaven, and I think you believe they do not belong.

 

[Ring 6]

Some do want to change Andy.

And you base this on?