WR depth chart?

[tonyto3690]

I already offered a valid argument, comparable, similar college statistics, and scouting reports suggesting he has good intangibles. You're the one that offered NOTHING at all :blabla:.

Again, the burden of proof is not on me.

YOU are the one making absurd claims. My line of opinion is much more in line with the thousands of previous examples as such. The Larry Fitzgeralds, AJ Greens, Calvin Johnsons of the world are very very few. Suggesting that a mid round pick is going to suddenly be in that class requires a heck of a lot more reasoning than "comparable 40 times and combine stats". Again, as I also pointed out, Mark Harrison (UDFA) has better combine stats than him across the board. Does that mean Harrison will be the next Jerry Rice? No of course not. THat is completely ridiculous.

Here is one of the dozens of articles on the internet that speak to Dobson's intangibles and skill set. Not sure why I'm posting it because I do not expect you to do anything but find something negative to write in response though :idontgetit:

2013 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Aaron Dobson - WR, Marshall - Stampede Blue

Great, a pre-draft scouting report. There were similar reports for Chad Jackson . I'm sure there were thousands of rave reviews about Vernon Gholston being the next Demarcus Ware as well.

You're actually not respectful; to be honest you basically troll around this forum being as negative and argumentative about any topic as possible, you offer no basis for what you're saying except for your pessimistic thoughts :rant:.

Just because I disagree with completely ridiculous homer notions ("This years WR group is better than 2007!", "Amendola will be better than Welker!", etc.) Doesn't make me pessimistic. It means I'm calling ridiculous claims for what they are, ridiculous.

You have posts complaining about the Raiders draft pick which netted Solder as a what could of been, you do realize 3 of the top 4 picks this year were LT right? Receiving a franchise LT as compensation still leaves room for 'what could of been". You're like the lady with a Virginia ham complaining that you don't have enough bread :violin:.

Complaining? I very clearly stated "I am glad we have Solder". LT is an important position, we all know this. But no one in their right mind would NOT trade Solder for Von Miller or AJ Green etc. straight up. Hell I would trade Solder and a first round pick for any of those guys without a seconds hesitation, as would any other rational football fan in the world.

You also do not even know what you're are talking about; I clearly wrote in my post that Dobson has good intangibles such as hands, route running, etc but yet you ignore that for the sake of making your argument :suspicious:.

Completely objective opinions based on some loose film study. Again, there have been thousands of players with comparable, if not better, measurables than Dobson. There have been maybe 4 or 5 with comparable ability to AJ Green in the past decade. And that is a long list of highly touted first round picks that were viewed coming out of college, much higher than Dobson.

If that is idiotic; imagine how idiotic signing up for a patriots fans forum only to parade around being a negative Nancy or Debbie downer appears :trolls:.

Sorry. Me calling out an idiotic claim does not make me a troll or debbie downer. It makes what you're saying, idiotic. If a Pats fan started posting that Sanchez is twice as good as Brady, and Brady is only good because of the system, would it be correct to call me a debbie downer for saying that was idiotic? Would it make me a troll for saying that is completely moronic? No of course not. Stop throwing a hissy fit just because I called you out on a completely outlandish claim.

On the subject of being frank with each other; I frankly could care less what your opinion is so moving forward do not waste either of our time by responding to my post :wave:.

You couldn't care less... so you responded to my post? Sure doesn't sound like you're running away.

 

[tonyto3690]

There have been 7 rookie WRs since 1980 to have 1000 yard seasons.

I'm pretty sure Dobson is not going to be joining that club that features...

-3 HOFers
-1 WR with 10,000 career yards
-4 time all pro, Chargers 50 year anniversary team (one of best in franchise history)
-3x Pro bowler
-1 semi-bust
-1 Record holder for most receptions in rookies first two seasons, runner up rookie of the year


I didn't bother checking how many of them won rookie of the year, but I think it was at least 5.

Chances are Dobson is not going to be matching any of that.

 

[NEPettyOfficer72]

Bottom line, Aaron Dobson is one of the most talented rookie receivers in the draft and has the intangibles and capability to be a superstar in the NFL. He could either be KeyShawn Johnson, solid over the course of his career or AJ Green, elite from the start. We don't know but if you are going by measurables, and intellect and his strengths then chances are he'll probably be at least some where in between or even more. He has the typical "name", look, jersey number (teen numbers seem to love talented receivers lol), track record school (Marshall - Moss and Troy Brown), and skillset that goes along with being one of the best, and then he has the best coach and quarterback combo in the league and offensive coordinator and wide receiver's coach to tote. But like I said, we will see. But chances are very good for this kid. And chances for a solid season from Josh Boyce because of what he could bring are high as well. I'll say it before and I'll say it again, they were the first time the Patriots actually focused and took time to draft real receivers in the draft, and they simply DO NOT compare to others taken in the past.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Back to the OP, I'll be curious to see if this depth chart holds up throughout camp. It's obviously way too early and there hasn't even been a padded practice, but this how its been the last two days:

1. Amendola
2. Dobson
3. Thompkins*
4. Aiken
5. Boyce
6. Jenkins
7. Hawkins
8. Slater
9. Sims
10. Ashford

Not present: Edelman, Harrison

*Started across Amendola in the hurry-up offense.

Jenkins looks toast with even Aiken outperforming him on the 2nd unit.

 

[NEPettyOfficer72]

Back to the OP, I'll be curious to see if this depth chart holds up throughout camp. It's obviously way too early and there hasn't even been a padded practice, but this how its been the last two days:

1. Amendola
2. Dobson
3. Thompkins*
4. Aiken
5. Boyce
6. Jenkins
7. Hawkins
8. Slater
9. Sims
10. Ashford


Not present: Edelman, Harrison

*Started across Amendola in the hurry-up offense.

Jenkins looks toast with even Aiken outperforming him on the 2nd unit.

I like Thompkins at that third spot, I really like this kid a lot. He is so talented

 

[ATippett56]

Bottom line

Your talent evaluation skills:

I like this guy, I really do. The guy is smart, versatile, and has good run after the catch skills. He can also stretch the field, get deep and do everything else. Intermediate routes, short routes and etc. When is the last time we've had somebody who could do that. He could shine in this system and catching passes from Tom. Especially with great help around him and good teachers to learn from, I'm rooting for him to make the team.

 

[ATippett56]

Bottom line, Aaron Dobson is one of the most talented rookie receivers in the draft and has the intangibles and capability to be a superstar in the NFL.

You are also a fraud:

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...iving-core-what-do-you-think.html#post3422361

04-10-2013, 12:40 PM Post #9

Who do you think they should draft? Who is hot?

 

[Deus Irae]

Bottom line, Aaron Dobson is one of the most talented rookie receivers in the draft and has the intangibles and capability to be a superstar in the NFL. He could either be KeyShawn Johnson, solid over the course of his career or AJ Green, elite from the start. We don't know but if you are going by measurables, and intellect and his strengths then chances are he'll probably be at least some where in between or even more. He has the typical "name", look, jersey number (teen numbers seem to love talented receivers lol), track record school (Marshall - Moss and Troy Brown), and skillset that goes along with being one of the best, and then he has the best coach and quarterback combo in the league and offensive coordinator and wide receiver's coach to tote. But like I said, we will see. But chances are very good for this kid. And chances for a solid season from Josh Boyce because of what he could bring are high as well. I'll say it before and I'll say it again, they were the first time the Patriots actually focused and took time to draft real receivers in the draft, and they simply DO NOT compare to others taken in the past.

Donald Jones - showed flashes, played in wrong system, had wrong qb throwing him the ball, and again can play both inside and out, even in the backfield. also a young guy...

So you mean to tell me this isn't an upgrade from last year? All of these guys, while may not be as popular as Brandon Lloyd can line up at different spots on the field and produce. And its not like any of them are scrubs.. or a bunch of young, unproven rookies. These are very solid to good guys that a few of them have star-quality potential if in the right system with the right qb and coach combination. If we could do it with our 03-04 group.. then we definitely can with this corps, its all ABOUT THE DEFENSE

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/1019579-likely-receiving-core-what-do-you-think.html#post3422553

 

[NEPettyOfficer72]

You are also a fraud:

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...iving-core-what-do-you-think.html#post3422361

04-10-2013, 12:40 PM Post #9

What does this prove?

 

[NEPettyOfficer72]

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/1019579-likely-receiving-core-what-do-you-think.html#post3422553

I was talking about Emmanuel Sanders, Donald Jones, Julian Edelman, Danny Amendola and Michael Jenkins.. And no they aren't a bunch of unproven rookies. Nice try......

 

[Deus Irae]

I was talking about Emmanuel Sanders, Donald Jones, Julian Edelman, Danny Amendola and Michael Jenkins.. And no they aren't a bunch of unproven rookies. Nice try......

I know exactly what you were posting about. You were equating that group with the 03-04 receivers and claiming the likes of Donald Jones to be SB worthy, and cheering the lack of unproven receivers while saying that it was all about the defense. Now, magically, since the team drafted a pair of those unproven rookies, it's all about Dobson being some incredible prospect who just needs time to orient, and nothing more. Your level of homerism is incredible.

Rah Rah would be proud.

 

[ATippett56]

What does this prove?

You know nothing about collegiate wide receivers.

 

[NEPettyOfficer72]

You know nothing about collegiate wide receivers.

My little civilian buddy, how and who are you to tell me what I know. I've been watching football for a long time now.

 

[Ring 6]

Back to the OP, I'll be curious to see if this depth chart holds up throughout camp. It's obviously way too early and there hasn't even been a padded practice, but this how its been the last two days:

1. Amendola
2. Dobson
3. Thompkins*
4. Aiken
5. Boyce
6. Jenkins
7. Hawkins
8. Slater
9. Sims
10. Ashford

Not present: Edelman, Harrison

*Started across Amendola in the hurry-up offense.

Jenkins looks toast with even Aiken outperforming him on the 2nd unit.

You can't make depth chart judgments based on who is with what group in the first few days. BB has a tendency to run everyone through the 1s to get a good look at them.

 

[ATippett56]

My little civilian buddy, how and who are you to tell me what I know. I've been watching football for a long time now.

You are a fraud, a charlatan.

You don't even have the guts to put your balls on the line.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...-patsfans-com-draft-contest-2013-a-page6.html

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04-24-2013, 11:25 PM Post #51

 

[patsinthesnow]

You can't make depth chart judgments based on who is with what group in the first few days. BB has a tendency to run everyone through the 1s to get a good look at them.

I specifically said its only been two days and its early, this is what we've seen at camp.

You nervous another undrafted player is outperforming a drafted player?

 

[NEPettyOfficer72]

You are a fraud, a charlatan.

You don't even have the guts to put your balls on the line.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...-patsfans-com-draft-contest-2013-a-page6.html

Annual patsfans.com draft contest-2013

04-24-2013, 11:25 PM Post #51

I wish I would have entered seen this contest lol

 

[ATippett56]

I wish I would have entered seen this contest lol

Quack! Quack!

 

[Brady6]

YOU are the one making absurd claims. My line of opinion is much more in line with the thousands of previous examples as such. The Larry Fitzgeralds, AJ Greens, Calvin Johnsons of the world are very very few. Suggesting that a mid round pick is going to suddenly be in that class requires a heck of a lot more reasoning than "comparable 40 times and combine stats". Again, as I also pointed out, Mark Harrison (UDFA) has better combine stats than him across the board. Does that mean Harrison will be the next Jerry Rice? No of course not. THat is completely ridiculous.

I did not realize they added rounds to the draft? The 2nd round is now considered a mid round pick?

First you're significantly exaggerating A.J. Green by already placing him in the class of Johnson or Fitzgerald, second I never said Dobson would be in his class, I said I see no reason why given the circumstance around the state of our WR depth, having TB as his QB, along with his impressive measurable's and reported attributes that that he could have similiar production to the 65 receptions and 1057 yards Green had as a rookie.

So stop putting words in my mouth; even the dumbest football fan knows that statistics are not the same as player level.

Complaining? I very clearly stated "I am glad we have Solder". LT is an important position, we all know this. But no one in their right mind would NOT trade Solder for Von Miller or AJ Green etc. straight up. Hell I would trade Solder and a first round pick for any of those guys without a seconds hesitation, as would any other rational football fan in the world.

If you looked up glass half empty this would be it.

Sorry. Me calling out an idiotic claim does not make me a troll or debbie downer. It makes what you're saying, idiotic. If a Pats fan started posting that Sanchez is twice as good as Brady, and Brady is only good because of the system, would it be correct to call me a debbie downer for saying that was idiotic? Would it make me a troll for saying that is completely moronic? No of course not. Stop throwing a hissy fit just because I called you out on a completely outlandish claim.

You've offered nothing remotely indicating my claims are wrong, you solely base what you've written around personal beliefs, selected the worst possible players for comparisons ignoring players like Erik Decker, Josh Gordon, Mike Williams, Randall Cobb, etc. who have been successful despite not being 1st round draft picks.

You couldn't care less... so you responded to my post? Sure doesn't sound like you're running away.

There is a difference between running away and deciding not to waste anymore of my time. If you want to offer something other than it won't happen because I said so feel free, but what I've seen so far seems more like some looking for a confrontation, I'm not interest in that. I never said I was right, openly admitted I was being optimistic, but still you insist on arguing what I wrote. Come on MAN!

 

[ATippett56]

My little civilian buddy, how and who are you to tell me what I know. I've been watching football for a long time now.

Defer the analysis to the authentic collegiate football experts on this message board:

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manxman2601
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