Schefter: Pats Franchise Samuel

[everlong]

Well this is the least shocking thread ever.

 

[Seymour93]

What's that mean for his $$? What's the tag worth?

$7,790,000 according to this site...

http://www.theredzone.org/2007/freeagents/2007tags.asp

I hope we get Grahambo re-signed now.

 

[Digger44]

$7,790,000 according to this site...

http://www.theredzone.org/2007/freeagents/2007tags.asp

I hope we get Grahambo re-signed now.

BB will not resign Graham because then he couldn't draft a TE in round 1.

 

[miDeuce]

Reiss has more:

February 16, 2007
Samuel reaction
The agent for Asante Samuel said his client is not upset about the Patriots placing the franchise tag on him.

"We don't look at it as a bad thing," Alonzo Shavers said on Friday night. "This is a step in the process in working toward a long-term deal."

Asked if Samuel would hold out, Shavers said: "That is not our intention at all."

 

[Fixit]

$7,790,000 according to this site...

http://www.theredzone.org/2007/freeagents/2007tags.asp

I hope we get Grahambo re-signed now.

Sweet Christmas, they could franchise me every year of my career for 1/10th of that.

 

[JoeSixPat]

DaBruinz was right the other night, Digger. The exclusive is almost never used because nobody other than a bonafide franchise QB is going to garner the 2 firsts anyway so no need to commit to pay more than you need to.

By exclusive or non-excuslive, do we mean Franchise or Transition tags?

The Transition tag cannot be used anymore - due to the poison pill provisions that remain unaddressed, ensuring that a team that wants a player under the transition tag can offer a silly and unmatchable contract.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Well this is the least shocking thread ever.

there were some early rumors that for whatever the reason, the Patriots had said they were not going to franchise Samuel.

Since that made no logical sense, I'm relieved to see those rumors proven untrue.

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

More than likely they might have tried to work something out but couldnt come to terms.

funny that both briggs and samuel occurred within the hour nowhere near the deadline

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

Reiss has more:

February 16, 2007
Samuel reaction
The agent for Asante Samuel said his client is not upset about the Patriots placing the franchise tag on him.

"We don't look at it as a bad thing," Alonzo Shavers said on Friday night. "This is a step in the process in working toward a long-term deal."

Asked if Samuel would hold out, Shavers said: "That is not our intention at all."

at least the agent is smart and not saying something stupid

 

[Seymour93]

Sweet Christmas, they could franchise me every year of my career for 1/10th of that.

Considering he was playing on his rookie contract up 'til now, I don't think Asante would be too sad if he had to play on $7.79m for one season.

 

[Digger44]

By exclusive or non-excuslive, do we mean Franchise or Transition tags?

The Transition tag cannot be used anymore - due to the poison pill provisions that remain unaddressed, ensuring that a team that wants a player under the transition tag can offer a silly and unmatchable contract.

see if this helps a bit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchise_tag

 

[SeanBruschi54]

funny that both briggs and samuel occurred within the hour nowhere near the deadline

Maybe the Patriots wanted Briggs? Who knows. We never will.

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

Mo I agree 100%. I don't think i disagreed with DaB, if I did i misunderstood his point.

The point is so many here are going to try to assume we will get an auto 2 first rounders if we trade Asante. That is no way close to true.

With that said, Asante will need direct permission to negotiate with other teams on the exclusive (normal) tag, or the Pats will handle trades themselves. The agent can do it automatically with the non-exclusive.

I am 99% sure that it is an exclusive tag. The 1% is laughing because BB wants to make a point.

I would think it would be a non-exclusive tag. I'm sure 100% of BB would invite 2 first rounders.

Plus the 120% of non-exclusive is based on last year and not this year.

Why wouldn't BB not want two first rounders? No way a team is going to give that up, they'll negotitate a trade first.

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

Maybe the Patriots wanted Briggs? Who knows. We never will.

if that happens. could still be the case and nothing is dead. but pure specualtion

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Mo I agree 100%. I don't think i disagreed with DaB, if I did i misunderstood his point.

The point is so many here are going to try to assume we will get an auto 2 first rounders if we trade Asante. That is no way close to true.

With that said, Asante will need direct permission to negotiate with other teams on the exclusive (normal) tag, or the Pats will handle trades themselves. The agent can do it automatically with the non-exclusive.

I am 99% sure that it is an exclusive tag. The 1% is laughing because BB wants to make a point.

The presumption is not that it is exclusive. The presumption is it is the normal non-exclusive tag. Teams can never handle trades themselves because the trading team has to be sure it can sign the player. The exclusive tag is only used on a player you are determined to retain whom you cannot allow to even explore his market. The Colts slapped it on Manning when they did not have a deal done prior to the FA period in 2004. A week later they got his deal hammered out. They were having enough trouble reaching agreement with Condon without allowing him to field equal or better offers from a team who just might have given up 2 first for him were that an option. Believe me if anyone offered BB two firsts for Asante he would not only drive him to the airport, he'd pack his house up for him.

 

[BradfordPatsFan]

re: Graham:

When reporting on Samuel, NFL Network just said that the team has a two week window to negotiate with him but the sides are not close at this time.

 

[SeanBruschi54]

re: Graham:

When reporting on Samuel, NFL Network just said that the team has a two week window to negotiate with him but the sides are not close at this time.

Maybe Graham wants franchise tag money in his deal with a verbal agreement of more offensive plays?

Also Graham has two really bad shoulders if anyone remembers. Patriots might be thinking about that now instead of the future.

But its JMO and im not sure how either side feels.

 

[Seymour93]

re: Graham:

When reporting on Samuel, NFL Network just said that the team has a two week window to negotiate with him but the sides are not close at this time.

They're probably talking about March 2 - the day when free agency begins. We can still negotiate after March 2 with Graham.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

see if this helps a bit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchise_tag

First off Digger, that is wikipedia which means someone wrote it. They do not state as the article you earlier cited did that the exclusive is the normal tag, because it isn't. And the figures they give there are for the non-exclusive tag in 2007. The exclusive figures won't be available until April or later because they will incorporate FA contracts signed this season.

 

[pats1]

Confirmed by Reiss:



did I beat Pats1 to posting it???????????

This time I was reading Cafardo's 2001 Pats book. (Soooo many mistakes...Stephen Neal chop blocks Bryan Cox!)