Waters' Locker Cleaned Out (Update: Reports Nameplate Taken Down)

[supafly]

Don't forget about the $3.85 million signing bonus for Jonathan Fanene.

I think that both Ocho and Fanane had the potential to be a future part of the team moving forward though, whereas Waters would be here for one last season.

I do think that the team reached what they thought was a reasonable and realistic view in helping to give him an added incentive to...finish out his 2 yr contract this year, which should not have been that big of a deal.

 

[ATippett56]

I do think that the team reached what they thought was a reasonable and realistic view in helping to give him an added incentive to...finish out his 2 yr contract this year, which should not have been that big of a deal.

Brian Waters' financial counterproposals, if any do exist at this time, have not been made public.

 

[supafly]

How much does a body cast cost for Tom Brady?

In my opinion, this whole thing about Waters is getting to be ridiculous.

It's one thing to worry about the play of the outside tackles, but another entirely to worry so much about the RG. Either way, the team has done more with less anyway. They will mask any apparent weaknesses on the line.

This is a team where depth, competition, and doing your job are of the upmost importance. If Waters would have been injured would Belichick be that concerned about it? No. He'd just expect the next guy in line to step up.

Connelly, Wendell, McDonald, and Thomas should be able to provide a reasonable alternative without too much of a downfall, and they are all potential parts of the team moving forward.

They offered Waters what appears to be a reasonable solution to finish out a small 2 yr deal (which HE wanted in the first place). He decided not to want to honor it. What are they supposed to do, curl up in the corner and cry?

We need to move on. If Belichick felt that Waters' return was 'that' important for the success of the 2012 team, he'd have offered him more money. Apparently, he isn't that concerned.

 

[IcyPatriot]

This is a business and you make prudent business decisions. Patriots have no clue if Waters is playing games to get on the Texans for more money or same money without giving up a pick.

We'd love to have Waters ... but the Patriots are playing this the way any prudent business man would. NFL is to cut throat to play nice when other teams are lurking.

Time to move on ... Waters loss.

 

[ATippett56]

In my opinion, this whole thing about Waters is getting to be ridiculous.

The Brian Waters situation has reached a stalemate. It will be interesting whether the New England Patriots organization capitulates in the near future.

 

[supafly]

Brian Waters' financial counterproposals, if any do exist at this time, have not been made public.

I'm not sure what you're saying?

Since we don't know whether Waters wants 3 million a year or 5 million a year, it's hard to determine who is in the 'wrong.'

To me personally, it's reasonable to think that Waters went to the front office and asked for something of a raise, based on his good season.

The team came back with what they viewed as a very acceptable alternative which included the paltry responsibility of being one of the 46 gameday active participants, which should have been pretty easy to achieve.

For all we know, those incentives could have taken his salary from 1.4 all the way up to over 2 million, actually that would certainly make a lot of sense.

What doesn't make sense is the thought that they suddenly dropped his salary for no good reason, or didn't give him something reasonably fair.

What seems to be pissing them off, is the fact that Waters seemed to be on board with their proposal, but eventually changed his mind.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

This is a business and you make prudent business decisions. Patriots have no clue if Waters is playing games to get on the Texans for more money or same money without giving up a pick.

We'd love to have Waters ... but the Patriots are playing this the way any prudent business man would. NFL is to cut throat to play nice when other teams are lurking.

Time to move on ... Waters loss.

Waters is in the last years of his career, they made a deal with him that he agreed to and now after missing training camp wants more money, to those who are saying BFD give him another mill, hows that going to go over to all the guys that busted their azz in training camp and fought to win a spot on the team, what happens if next year big Vince says I dont feel like coming to training camp, it sets a bad precadent. Felgers opinion aside.

 

[ATippett56]

For all we know, those incentives could have taken his salary from 1.4 all the way up to over 2 million, actually that would certainly make a lot of sense.

What doesn't make sense is the thought that they suddenly dropped his salary for no good reason, or didn't give him something reasonably fair.

What seems to be pissing them off, is the fact that Waters seemed to be on board with their proposal, but eventually changed his mind.

That's the problem! We just don't know what is and what is not acceptable to Brian Waters.

 

[supafly]

Waters is in the last years of his career, they made a deal with him that he agreed to and now after missing training camp wants more money, to those who are saying BFD give him another mill, hows that going to go over to all the guys that busted their azz in training camp and fought to win a spot on the team, what happens if next year big Vince says I dont feel like coming to training camp, it sets a bad precadent. Felgers opinion aside.

It does set a bad precedent, and one that they normally do not even take into consideration.

In this case, it's for a one year rental on a guy who we have plenty of depth for.

 

[ATippett56]

Felgers opinion aside.

With Borges whispering in his ear.

 

[supafly]

That's the problem! We just don't know what is and what is not acceptable to Brian Waters.

Of course. But I think it's a bit more reasonable to assume that they came up with something more of a raise than a decrease in pay after a probowl season, but that's just my opinion.

Either way, Waters apparently was initially on board so it couldn't have been too far off the mark, but now has somewhat recently changed his mind.

In all seriousness, I hope we get that ring that he's been looking for so long this year, and he can sit home on the couch with his family.

 

[supafly]

In all seriousness, I hope we get that ring that he's been looking for so long this year, and he can sit home on the couch with his family.

It's always about the 'family.' Whether you're trying to 'feed your family' off of 5-6 million a year+, or you don't want to 'leave' your family (as you've done for the past double digit number of years) for a few months at a time, it's all comes down to the family

Meanwhile, the 'family' can cut back in their usual lifestyle; not to mention the fact that any reasonable person could retire off of what Waters would make just this year alone.

 

[TheBeers]

Waters is in the last years of his career, they made a deal with him that he agreed to and now after missing training camp wants more money, to those who are saying BFD give him another mill, hows that going to go over to all the guys that busted their azz in training camp and fought to win a spot on the team, what happens if next year big Vince says I dont feel like coming to training camp, it sets a bad precadent. Felgers opinion aside.

Great point. We could also look at it like getting hired for a job. Pay and start time are agreed upon, and at the last minute the employee says.. Nah I think I'd like more pay.

I know this isn't a regular job but if they had a spoken agreement of sorts and Waters is now backing out... asking for more money. Or even just being wishy washy about playing. At some point the team has to move on. SMY's breakdown pretty much made it look like that is what happened.

 

[Snake Eyes]

It's one thing to worry about the play of the outside tackles, but another entirely to worry so much about the RG. Either way, the team has done more with less anyway. They will mask any apparent weaknesses on the line.

We need to move on. If Belichick felt that Waters' return was 'that' important for the success of the 2012 team, he'd have offered him more money. Apparently, he isn't that concerned.

1 - A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link.
2 - The shortest distance between any 2 points is a straight line, it's interior pressure that is most ruinous for a QB like TFB.

3 - Have you considered that BB might be mistaken is his apparent lack of concern?

 

[Patriot Missile]

It does set a bad precedent, and one that they normally do not even take into consideration.

In this case, it's for a one year rental on a guy who we have plenty of depth for.

From a pro bowl guard to a 1 yr rental? All of a sudden we have plenty of depth at the G position?

 

[randomk1]

Kind of annoyed by all these issues regarding the OL.


They better man the **** up.

 

[supafly]

1 - A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link.
2 - The shortest distance between any 2 points is a straight line, it's interior pressure that is most ruinous for a QB like TFB.

3 - Have you considered that BB might be mistaken is his apparent lack of concern?

Sure. That's fair to question, but keep in mind players who are 35 and playing in their last year aren't going to be treated the same as players who will be here on a more long term basis.

Again, it comes down to principle, and Belichick seems to hold that closely.

I believe he will treat it the same as Waters not being healthy, which is something that he prepares for in depth while making out the roster.

As far as the 'chain' example goes, I would agree, but we do have more than adequate depth there, and it is understood that the tackles of the NFL are payed and valued more than the guards.

 

[supafly]

From a pro bowl guard to a 1 yr rental? All of a sudden we have plenty of depth at the G position?

Yeah. He's playing in his final year. Even that was in question when he brought up retirement the past 2 seasons in KC and after the SB.

To me that = a one year rental, meaning he will be here for one year.

As far as 'depth' at the interior positions, please tell me that you're joking right?

It's one of the deepest positions on the entire team.

 

[ATippett56]

Meanwhile, the 'family' can cut back in their usual lifestyle; not to mention the fact that any reasonable person could retire off of what Waters would make just this year alone.

"The man gots to feed his family!"

"Oh honey, we just can't afford Beluga caviar this week!"

 

[supafly]

"The man gots to feed his family!"

"Oh honey, we just can't afford Beluga caviar this week!"

They'll have to cut back from the Dom Perignon to 'just' the Moet and Chandon with dinner