If PSU gets the Death Penalty What Happens to O'Brien?

[mayoclinic]

Sounds like the NCAA is about to drop the hammer on Penn St.:

The NCAA will announce what a high-ranking association source called "unprecedented" penalties against both the Penn State University football team and the school. "I've never seen anything like it," the source told correspondent Armen Keteyian.

NCAA President Mark Emmert will make the announcement Monday morning at 9 a.m. at the organization's headquarters in Indianapolis.

The penalties come in the wake of the independent report by former FBI Director Louis Freeh that chronicled repeated efforts by four top Penn State officials, including former football Joe Paterno, to conceal allegations of serial child sex abuse Jerry Sandusky over a 14-year period.

NCAA source: "Unprecedented" penalties against Penn State - CBS News

 

[MoLewisrocks]

The statue finally came down this AM although they are refusing to rename the Library. And now the NCAA will hold a presser on Monday AM reportedly to announce unprecedented penalties...

NCAA source: "Unprecedented" penalties against Penn State - CBS News

The most chilling shot of Paterno's statue being removed... on Twitpic

 

[MoLewisrocks]

He becomes the offensive coordinator for the Kansas City Chiefs and Brian Daboll will have to eat it as something else.

Daboll and Josh McDaniels were both graduate assistants almost the same year at Michigan State with Nick Saban in the late 1990s. I don't think Daboll will be as good a coordinator as McDaniels.

If in fact he has no team to coach in PA, I could see KC adding him to the staff as an Asst. HC. Rac has struggled to deal with the other side of the ball as a HC. He's again going to be a glorified DC as HC and he could use a better support system than Daboll, who got the job because he was the last man standing (with system experience)...

Both Daboll (who fled to the JETS where pal Mangini would let him at least be QBC and who followed Mangini to Cleveland replacing Jeff Davidson who was also passed over for Josh and moved on to be RAC's Asst HC/OL before being named his OC early on in Cleveland and then becoming and OC in Carolina before landing in Minnesota as an asst. OL coach again) have yet to succeed to any extent as coordinators. Even Moore's development of sorts in Miami was credited to their QBC and not coordinator Daboll.

 

[goheels22002]

The statue finally came down this AM although they are refusing to rename the Library.

The most chilling shot of Paterno's statue being removed... on Twitpic

Good for Penn State. They're a little slow on the uptake there. That statue should have come down before this. They're lucky that nobody got hurt or shot trying to deface it over the past several weeks.

Billy O'Brien should quit. He has grounds to claim that he was not informed of the extent of the wrong-doing at PSU, and that several university officials, especially members of the Board who were informed in the 1990s, did.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Good for Penn State. They're a little slow on the uptake there. That statue should have come down before this. They're lucky that nobody got hurt or shot trying to deface it over the past several weeks.

Billy O'Brien should quit. He has grounds to claim that he was not informed of the extent of the wrong-doing at PSU, and that several university officials, especially members of the Board who were informed in the 1990s, did.

If he quits he doesn't get paid and probably gets subconsciously labeled a quitter for walking away from what was universally known to be a tough and therefore difficult to recruit for job to begin with. If he has no in season function and the two sides come to an agreement, that's a whole different spin. Besides, it's too late for him to get a HC job anywhere else in the college ranks this season. There's about $5M in future earnings on the line, coaches contracts being guaranteed and all... Better to wait it out and collect that money or a settlement that allows him to move on with a nest egg.

 

[PatsGuy]

Multiple media feeds indicate the Penn State will not get the "Death Penalty" but will lose multiple year scholarships and bowl appearences. One pundit said it's almost a fate worse than death

 

[MoLewisrocks]

If that's the case then BoB is basically screwed because they will still need a HC only his hands will be tied from a performance standpoint for probably the duration of his contract... Gives new meaning to the term "interim"...which is what a lot of critics said was the job he basically accepted. The guy to weather the storm in relative oblivion after which another icon will be located to actually reignite the football program.

 

[BTTA]

Billy O'Brien should quit. He has grounds to claim that he was not informed of the extent of the wrong-doing at PSU, and that several university officials, especially members of the Board who were informed in the 1990s, did.

He doesn't need to quit, but he does have grounds to sue the Board for fraud. And he doesn't need to quit his job to do that.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

For the record, here's part of the reason why it's unprecedented:

The NCAA is taking unprecedented measures with the decision to penalize Penn State without the due process of a Committee on Infractions hearing. . . .

A former Committee on Infractions chairman and current Division I Appeals Committee member told ESPN.com's Andy Katz the NCAA's penalizing of an institution and program for immoral and criminal behavior also breaks new ground. . . .

The chair said that the NCAA is choosing to deal with a case that is outside the traditional rules or violations. He said this case does not fall within the basic fundamental purpose of NCAA regulations.

That's the key "problem" here: this simply is outside of the NCAA's normal purview. I do agree that it is a LOIC (loss of institutional control) problem, but not in the traditional sense of that infraction (see: USC, SMU, etc.).

Penn State Nittany Lions not facing 'death penalty' Monday by NCAA, source says - ESPN

 

[Deus Irae]

For the record, here's part of the reason why it's unprecedented:



That's the key "problem" here: this simply is outside of the NCAA's normal purview. I do agree that it is a LOIC (loss of institutional control) problem, but not in the traditional sense of that infraction (see: USC, SMU, etc.).

Penn State Nittany Lions not facing 'death penalty' Monday by NCAA, source says - ESPN

People don't care. It's a lynch mob mentality now, and it has been for a long time. They'll scream for more of everything: oversight, regulations, punishments, etc...., and they don't care if it's smart, legal or even feasible.

People are idiots.

 

[patchick]

That's the key "problem" here: this simply is outside of the NCAA's normal purview. I do agree that it is a LOIC (loss of institutional control) problem, but not in the traditional sense of that infraction (see: USC, SMU, etc.).

As horrendous as the offenses were, they weren't football related. What happened was a conspiracy to cover up serious crimes -- crimes that in no way gave the team or players any competitive advantage. Why is this an NCAA issue? It seems like they're really overstepping here.

 

[goheels22002]

That's the key "problem" here: this simply is outside of the NCAA's normal purview. I do agree that it is a LOIC (loss of institutional control) problem, but not in the traditional sense of that infraction (see: USC, SMU, etc.).

Penn State Nittany Lions not facing 'death penalty' Monday by NCAA, source says - ESPN

It will be interesting to see the fallout if the NCAA penalizes PSU for violation of rules that the member institutions never agreed to. It should be careful not to overstep its authority.

It has all it needs to penalize PSU under the "loss of institutional control" regulations. Even better, the NCAA can impose sanctions as voted by all the members, which would mean the presidents of the member institutions would reach consensus on what should happen to PSU athletics for the cover-up and conspiracy to look the other way while Sandusky continued to rape children for more than a decade.

I wonder if the Big Ten kicks PSU out of the conference. They have every right to do so. They don't need Penn State if the football program is decimated and no one wants (or is allowed) to put their games on TV. Penn State's basketball program is no attraction.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

As horrendous as the offenses were, they weren't football related. What happened was a conspiracy to cover up serious crimes -- crimes that in no way gave the team or players any competitive advantage. Why is this an NCAA issue? It seems like they're really overstepping here.

To play Devil's advocate for a moment, I think the NCAA argument will run something like this: if some recruits over the past decade knew about Sandusky, it would tarnish PSU's reputation to the point where they wouldn't come. Hence, PSU had players playing for it that wouldn't have been there had they done the right thing with Sandusky.

Not saying it's right or a good idea, merely that that would be the angle I see them taking.

 

[Deus Irae]

For the record, here's part of the reason why it's unprecedented:



That's the key "problem" here: this simply is outside of the NCAA's normal purview. I do agree that it is a LOIC (loss of institutional control) problem, but not in the traditional sense of that infraction (see: USC, SMU, etc.).

Penn State Nittany Lions not facing 'death penalty' Monday by NCAA, source says - ESPN

People don't care. It's a lynch mob mentality now, and it has been for a long time. They'll scream for more of everything: oversight, regulations, punishments, etc...., and they don't care if it's smart, legal or even feasible.

People are idiots.

As horrendous as the offenses were, they weren't football related. What happened was a conspiracy to cover up serious crimes -- crimes that in no way gave the team or players any competitive advantage. Why is this an NCAA issue? It seems like they're really overstepping here.

Bedard's actually working a line of tweets with a @bruman87 on this, and it is actually on point to the thread (unlike a lot of other posts here) because it is about O'Brien and his options:

https://twitter.com/GregABedard

 

[goheels22002]

If he quits he doesn't get paid and probably gets subconsciously labeled a quitter for walking away from what was universally known to be a tough and therefore difficult to recruit for job to begin with. If he has no in season function and the two sides come to an agreement, that's a whole different spin. Besides, it's too late for him to get a HC job anywhere else in the college ranks this season. There's about $5M in future earnings on the line, coaches contracts being guaranteed and all... Better to wait it out and collect that money or a settlement that allows him to move on with a nest egg.

You make good points. O'Brien is in a very difficult situation. He's screwed if he stays and screwed if he leaves.

No matter what, this will be terrible year for PSU players everywhere they go. Can you imagine?

I wonder if the NCAA will turn all the players loose - they should. If you're on scholarship, you should be allowed to stay, or leave, keep this year of eligibility and find another school. If that is the case O'Brien should stay and help every one of those kids decide what's best and find the right situation for them athletically and academically.

Longer term, O'Brien will have job prospects in the NFL.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

You make good points. O'Brien is in a very difficult situation. He's screwed if he stays and screwed if he leaves.

No matter what, this will be terrible year for PSU players everywhere they go. Can you imagine?

I wonder if the NCAA will turn all the players loose - they should. If you're on scholarship, you should be allowed to stay, or leave, keep this year of eligibility and find another school. If that is the case O'Brien should stay and help every one of those kids decide what's best and find the right situation for them athletically and academically.

Longer term, O'Brien will have job prospects in the NFL.

As a general rule, postseason bans automatically enable transfers for any player who would have no opportunity to play in a bowl game before graduating. So, for example, when USC got hit with a two-year bowl ban, any player with one or two seasons left was given the ability to transfer. Players with 3+ years remaining were not.

 

[TyronePoole]

Interesting article from Dave Zirin, not sure if i agree or not but it definitely is more complicated than just "burn it down"

Edge of Sports

Against Abolishing Football at Penn State
By Dave Zirin
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Spare me. Spare me the calls to abolish Penn State’s football program in the wake of findings by former FBI Chief Louis Freeh that Coach Joe Paterno and other men in power hid the crimes of child rapist/assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky. Spare me the NCAA’s ominous warning that they “will determine whether any additional action is necessary on its part at the appropriate time.” Spare me the self-righteous rage of sports writers who spent decades burnishing the Paterno legend and now rush to tear it all down.

The two most acute examples of this “Paterno revisionism” are ESPN’s Rick Reilly and the Washington Post’s Sally Jenkins. Reilly readily admits to being “an idiot”, “a stooge”, “a sap”, and “a fool” for praising Paterno over the course of decades. Jenkins, who is normally nobody’s fool, has set a land-speed record for media revisionism. After recording Paterno’s last interview, in an article widely criticized for being overly generous to the disgraced coach, Jenkins now says that she realizes she was conned and has seen the light. Jenkins writes that Paterno “wasn’t some aging granddad who was deceived, but a canny and unfeeling power broker who put protecting his reputation ahead of protecting children.”

I am all for exposing what was fraudulent about Joe Paterno. I am all for calling him out as someone who cared more about his football program than the welfare of endangered children, and have written these very words. I am also in full agreement with Louis Freeh that one of the greatest problems the Sandusky scandal has exposed is “the culture of reverence for the football program that is ingrained at all levels of the campus community.” Children were raped in the name of this monstrous “culture of reverence.”...

I readily admit I am not a fan of College football at all, and am not familiar with the NCAA and what it's purview normally is, so maybe the private actions taken against them will be enough punishment...

As for BO'B, I hope as others have said that he has some good contract language with regards to what situations he has to continue in and which ones he doesn't. Having to man a massive football program with no scholarships and no bowl games seems like a prison sentence for ambitious coaches.

 

[Joker]

I am all for exposing what was fraudulent about Joe Paterno....very big of you...it's already been exposed without you being all for it...great, that's it????... I am all for calling him out as someone who cared more about his football program than the welfare of endangered children, and have written these very words...."Look, I SAID call out Paterno...he cared more for his program...call him out...but it's only endangered children...calling out is ENOUGH!!!...leave the program alone!!...I am also in full agreement with Louis Freeh that one of the greatest problems the Sandusky scandal has exposed is “the culture of reverence for the football program that is ingrained at all levels of the campus community.” Children were raped in the name of this monstrous “culture of reverence.”...Huh???? The title of this article states you are AGAINST penalities...but the "culture of reverence" is MONSTROUS???...so...do NOT execute the death penalty???

This Zirin guy is a moron....WTF does he want the authorities to do...tell the program to go stand in the corner?...print "I will not allow child molestation to go unchecked for twenty years plus" a hundred times on a chalkboard?

 

[Deus Irae]

I am all for exposing what was fraudulent about Joe Paterno....very big of you...it's already been exposed without you being all for it...great, that's it????... I am all for calling him out as someone who cared more about his football program than the welfare of endangered children, and have written these very words...."Look, I SAID call out Paterno...he cared more for his program...call him out...but it's only endangered children...calling out is ENOUGH!!!...leave the program alone!!...I am also in full agreement with Louis Freeh that one of the greatest problems the Sandusky scandal has exposed is “the culture of reverence for the football program that is ingrained at all levels of the campus community.” Children were raped in the name of this monstrous “culture of reverence.”...Huh???? The title of this article states you are AGAINST penalities...but the "culture of reverence" is MONSTROUS???...so...do NOT execute the death penalty???

This Zirin guy is a moron....WTF does he want the authorities to do...tell the program to go stand in the corner?...print "I will not allow child molestation to go unchecked for twenty years plus" a hundred times on a chalkboard?

Or, perhaps, the NCAA could just mind its own business, since this isn't in its purview.... :confused2:

 

[patchick]

WTF does he want the authorities to do...tell the program to go stand in the corner?...print "I will not allow child molestation to go unchecked for twenty years plus" a hundred times on a chalkboard?

How about let the criminal justice system assess criminal penalties, let the federal government assess financial penalties against the university for dodging laws about reporting campus crime, let the university officials who are tainted but not criminally charged face life with their careers and reputations in very public tatters, and let the NCAA not invent new powers and mandates for itself?