This game will make or break Tom Brady's legacy

[robbomango]

Sorry, you lost me at Leg:confused2:

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

He'll always be seen as one of the best ever. Nothing is going to change that. But right now, he has a chance to be seen as the BEST ever.

If he wins this game, no one can disclaim that he's not the best ever.

But losing to the same QB twice in the SB? I'm not saying its fair, because I think football is a team game. Brady did NOT lose to Eli in '07, but that's the perception people have about it either way.

Michael Jordan is undoubtedly the greatest of all-time for a reason. He leaves very little, to no doubt left at all. Brady has this chance is what I'm saying.

No one can ever bring up the fact he lost to Eli again, if he beats him.

If Brady loses he might not be knows as the best QB ever, but the New England fan base will always embrace him and he's the best player in team history.

If Eli loses, the NY fanbase will call for his head for 5000th time in his career, deriding him for being inconsistent and forever lamenting the fact he isn't Peyton.

The only difference is, Eli doesn't even realize it yet. When you're on top, everything is good. Wait and see his legacy after this one. People will kick themselves for all of the superlatives they threw at a slightly above average quarterback who has done relatively little with all the talent around him.

 

[midpack]

Do you guys seriously not think Brady realizes this? He's calling his QB guru? Brady understands this better than any of us.

Do you really think he's worrying about his legacy right now?!?!?

I'm pretty sure he just wants to win for winning!:rocker:

 

[Paul_Newman]

If Brady loses he might not be knows as the best QB ever, but the New England fan base will always embrace him and he's the best player in team history.

If Eli loses, the NY fanbase will call for his head for 5000th time in his career, deriding him for being inconsistent and forever lamenting the fact he isn't Peyton.

The only difference is, Eli doesn't even realize it yet. When you're on top, everything is good. Wait and see his legacy after this one. People will kick themselves for all of the superlatives they threw at a slightly above average quarterback who has done relatively little with all the talent around him.

That's fine. I don't think anyone should dare throw Brady under the bus if he doesn't win.

That would be nuts. Brady is a great player. Nothing changes that. But we all know perception in sports can out due reality is what I'm saying. Montana's 4 SBs are largely why he's viewed as the best of all-time, and the fact he did it in dramatic fashion.

I feel for Tom, because it is a lot of pressure on him to get this done.

And to someone above, did I not football was the ultimate "team" game? I never thought Brady lost the '07 SB. Just like I didn't think he won them their three by himself.

 

[Betterthanmost]

voted already, too absurd to waste grey matter on.

 

[RodThePat]

True.

Win or lose. Brady stays in the top 10 of QBs. And ahead of Bradshaw.

Brady wins and gets the MVP you can debate Brady vs. Montana. NYG win you can't debate Montana vs. Brady.

Of course you can debate Montana vs. Brady even if he doesn't win. Those 49ers teams were Pro-Bowl rosters; winning three championships in the free agency era is arguably more difficult than winning four when Montana played.

 

[Paul_Newman]

Do you really think he's worrying about his legacy right now?!?!?

I'm pretty sure he just wants to win for winning!:rocker:

Of course he's worried about his legacy. And of course he wants to win. Why can't it be both?

Do you really believe great players truly don't care where they're viewed as one of the all-time greats?

I'm sure Brady would never admit it, but I highly doubt it he doesn't care.

If Brady was just happy about winning, he wouldn't have been so "upset" over his performance. Tom is a perfectionist. He's a competitive person by nature.

He wants to win in every way. I applaud him for that.

 

[PatsBoy12]

Who cares? He'll still go to the Hall and be considered one of the greatest ever. Heck, the fact that he was one of the people to break Marino's record is already being trivialized to some degree by the people who say that it's because the league is geared toward the passing game. Whether that's true or not, my point is you're going to have people who find a way to diminish what someone else has accomplished to some degree, no matter who the person may be. Even if Tom wins this SB, there are still going to be people who try to discredit his accomplishment in some way.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Of course you can debate Montana vs. Brady even if he doesn't win.

Maybe YOU can. YOU can also debate that the world is flat if you want.

So let me rephrase that.....

If Pats loses, you won't be able to debate Brady over Montana without everyone laughing at you.

 

[tuckeverlasting]

Yes, because losing three of five Super Bowls has tarnished Elway's legacy.

In a ten year career (he missed a year due to injuries or it would be 11 years), Brady has been been to six Championship games and five Super Bowls. He holds multiple records including the season TD record. He has two league MVPs and two Super Bowl MVPs. And he did all this in an era where dynasties are NOT supposed to happen.

Brady is and will forever will be in the discussion for best QB in league history. What happens on the 5th of February will not change that. A win will add far more weight to the argument that he is the best of all time.

Besides, even if he loses this Super Bowl doesn't mean that he won't win one, two, or three more Super Bowls before he retires. If he goes to one more Super Bowl after this year, he will have gone to more Super Bowls than any QB (he is currently tied with Elway for the most at 5).

there. fixed.

 

[Kontradiction]

You guys forget how much of a Brady hater Paul has been since he arrived here. This game won't make or break Brady's legacy. That legacy has been made. A win will only fortify Brady as the greatest of all time.

 

[Satchboogie3]

Brady is facing Giants D, Eli facing Pats D.

Anyone who is trying to diss Brady's legacy with or without a 4th ring dosnt know what they talk about.

If you are implying that Brady is going up against a much tougher defense than Eli, you're dead wrong. There is NOTHING that supports the argument that the Giants defense is better than the Pats, either longer term (the entire season) or their recent win streaks. Go find me the stats/reasons why the Giants are better. You can't. Seriously, go try to find something.

 

[Jackson 2]

Fair or foul: If Brady loses AGAIN to Eli Manning, he'll forever be mocked, and his legacy will take a huge hit. That's not my own perception. I don't agree with that. But he'll likely never ever be seen as the greatest to ever play, losing TWICE to the same QB in the SB. He just won't. Montana apologist will never let that one go. Brady will still seen as great, but I think we all agree at this point he's in the "ballpark" with Montana.

If he wins this game, I think he'll undoubtedly go down as the greatest ever. He has Montana beat in every way if he wins. More post season wins, more SB appearances, same rings, better numbers, etc...

No one will be able to say Montana is better at least.Tom Brady has a chance to be known as the G.O.A.T in this game. This is his moment. This will tell us how truly great he really is. He's already great, but all-time best great? We're going to see.

This is by far and away the most important game in Brady's career. Nothing he's ever done even comes close to magnifying that. Not the 18-0 season(that was the entire team, not one guy). In fact, I don't think any QB in the history of football has as much pressure as what Brady has for this SB.

This game is all about the Great Tom Brady, and where his legacy will go after this game.

I wish him well. I really do. Good luck.

Paulie's back and he wants a cracker. Go away, troll.

 

[Sparetire]

If you are implying that Brady is going up against a much tougher defense than Eli, you're dead wrong. There is NOTHING that supports the argument that the Giants defense is better than the Pats, either longer term (the entire season) or their recent win streaks. Go find me the stats/reasons why the Giants are better. You can't. Seriously, go try to find something.

Actually i wasnt implying nothing, its a fact that brady will face a giants D, he dosnt play against eli. and vice versa.

 

[robbomango]

Subaru Legacy?




:bricks:

 

[D-Money]

He will still be known as a great QB win or lose.I just hope he plays his best and its not the factor as to why they didnt win.It will suck big time though to lose to the damn giants once again in a big stage.

 

[D-Money]

The giants defense wasnt as good as some of u are saying.A pass rush makes ur defense look great.They have a pass rush.Thats why it is vital that the offensive line plays a hell of a game!!

 

[thenepatsrule]

Paul = Glass half full
Paul = fair weather fan

Whats up with all these new posters posting threads with nothing but negativity .........bunch of negative nancies..........

I have observed almost all of the negative threads/posts now a days are made by people who either are fans of other teams or ppl who joined this board withing the last month or so

 

[Satchboogie3]

Actually i wasnt implying nothing, its a fact that brady will face a giants D, he dosnt play against eli. and vice versa.

Brady vs Giants career regular season:
2-1, 60.7% comp, 4TD, 2 INT, 7.23 YPA, 270 Y/G, 87.3 QB rating.
Superbowl 42:
60.4% comp, 266 yards, 5.5 Y/A, 1TD, 0 INT, 82.5 QB rating. Longest pass was 19 yards. Considering the game the O-line had (5 sacks, probably a half a million hits), I'd say that's a damned good game. I believe this was recently ranked as an "impossible" win on a postseason QB rating based on team performance.

Eli vs Pats career regular season:
1-1, 59.2% comp, 6TD, 2INT, 7.06 Y/A, 250 Y/G, 97.2 QB Rating
Superbowl 42:
55.9% comp, 255 yards, 2TD, 1 INT, 87.3 QB Rating.

That's not exactly all that bad for Tom and definitely better than his career line against the Ravens. People also forget that Tom did outplay Manning in the Superbowl, even with all the miracles that Manning got that final drive.

As for the higher QB Rating for Eli in the reg. season, most of that actually comes from the game at the end of '07. This years defense has exactly 1 player that was on that team. He had a 77.9 QB rating vs the Pats this year.

I'm not suggesting it will be easy or anything, but saying that Brady has been bad against the Giants and Eli owns the Pats is just not true. It's pretty much a wash.

 

[Steve102]

You guys forget how much of a Brady hater Paul has been since he arrived here. This game won't make or break Brady's legacy. That legacy has been made. A win will only fortify Brady as the greatest of all time.

:agree:

I don't know Paul from Adam, so I can't comment on that...but the notion that Brady's legacy takes a hit is preposterous. That legacy is cemented already. TB12 can only put further gloss on it.