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This game will make or break Tom Brady's legacy

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  1. Paul_Newman

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    Fair or foul: If Brady loses AGAIN to Eli Manning, he'll forever be mocked, and his legacy will take a huge hit. That's not my own perception. I don't agree with that. But he'll likely never ever be seen as the greatest to ever play, losing TWICE to the same QB in the SB. He just won't. Montana apologist will never let that one go. Brady will still seen as great, but I think we all agree at this point he's in the "ballpark" with Montana.

    If he wins this game, I think he'll undoubtedly go down as the greatest ever. He has Montana beat in every way if he wins. More post season wins, more SB appearances, same rings, better numbers, etc...

    No one will be able to say Montana is better at least.Tom Brady has a chance to be known as the G.O.A.T in this game. This is his moment. This will tell us how truly great he really is. He's already great, but all-time best great? We're going to see.

    This is by far and away the most important game in Brady's career. Nothing he's ever done even comes close to magnifying that. Not the 18-0 season(that was the entire team, not one guy). In fact, I don't think any QB in the history of football has as much pressure as what Brady has for this SB.

    This game is all about the Great Tom Brady, and where his legacy will go after this game.

    I wish him well. I really do. Good luck.
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    disagree.

    Although his rep might take a temporary hit, in the long term he will still be viewed as one of, if not the, best ever.

    Also, I'm pretty sure this won't be his last year.......
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    What you, know its true.

    Have you ever seen where one game, a perception of a player can go so dramatically one way or the other?

    This is the big pressure moment he'll ever face. If he loses, he's still great. No one will think differently, but being the best ever is probably tarnished for ever.. The greatest of greats in sports are seen as delivering in these moments.

    I feel bad Brady has that kind of pressure, and it is a lot for anyone. But it is what it is. It's the sports world we live in. And if he wants to be seen as the best ever, this is his time to show it.
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    You spelled "Eli Manning" wrong.

    If Brady loses this game he'll be 66% as mocked as John Elway is for losing 3 SuperBowls. Meaning, he won't be mocked at all.

    Even if he loses he'll retire with over 400 TD passes and over 50000 yards, with three SuperBowls (assuming he loses next week and never gets back again). He'll be the first guy to merge ridiculous statistics and multiple SuperBowl victories. Tom Brady's legacy is secured, dude, this thread is pretty ridiculous.
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    Brady is facing Giants D, Eli facing Pats D.

    Anyone who is trying to diss Brady's legacy with or without a 4th ring dosnt know what they talk about.
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    I here you make a good pasta sauce Paul...:eat1:
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    What if he goes 28 of 43 for 367 yards and 4 TDs and the Patriots lose 31-28 because our defense couldn't stop Eli and the Giants had the football last? How is his legacy affected then?
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    He'll always be seen as one of the best ever. Nothing is going to change that. But right now, he has a chance to be seen as the BEST ever.

    If he wins this game, no one can disclaim that he's not the best ever.

    But losing to the same QB twice in the SB? I'm not saying its fair, because I think football is a team game. Brady did NOT lose to Eli in '07, but that's the perception people have about it either way.

    Michael Jordan is undoubtedly the greatest of all-time for a reason. He leaves very little, to no doubt left at all. Brady has this chance is what I'm saying.

    No one can ever bring up the fact he lost to Eli again, if he beats him.
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    From Brady's over the hill to a make or brake Legacy game,..whatever Paul:rolleyes:
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    So this game is not about the NE Patriots and the other 52 guys who will bust their asses getting ready for and playing for the Super Bowl Championship?

    Don't want to move this thead to the PS unless there are 3 more votes.
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    Eli, irrelevent.

    But if Brady is on the losing end of two superbowls, you can't really argue him ahead of Montana.
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    Yes, because losing three of five Super Bowls has tarnished Elway's legacy.

    In a ten year career (he missed a year due to injuries or it would be 11 years), Brady has been been to six Championship games and five Super Bowls. He holds multiple records including the season TD record. He has two league MVPs and two Super Bowl MVPs. And he did all this in an era where dynasties are supposed to happen.

    Brady is and will forever will be in the discussion for best QB in league history. What happens on the 5th of February will not change that. A win will add far more weight to the argument that he is the best of all time.

    Besides, even if he loses this Super Bowl doesn't mean that he won't win one, two, or three more Super Bowls before he retires. If he goes to one more Super Bowl after this year, he will have gone to more Super Bowls than any QB (he is currently tied with Elway for the most at 5).
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    Disagreed, barring a major injury Brady will get more shots. No guarantees he'll get back to the SB but his chances are good with this team/HC.

    It's a very important game to his legacy yes, but definitely not make or break.
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    I don't know about that. Bradshaw has 4 wins and no one even the most homer Steeler fans would put Bradshaw ahead of Brady in terms of history.
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    Do I get a vote? If so, I'd second your motion.
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    True.

    Win or lose. Brady stays in the top 10 of QBs. And ahead of Bradshaw.

    Brady wins and gets the MVP you can debate Brady vs. Montana. NYG win you can't debate Montana vs. Brady.
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    yes, indeed your vote has been counted.

    "make or break Tom Brady's legacy"



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    I love how I say its perception, and everyone automatically assumes it means how I'll view him. There's no way to literally "prove" any particular player is the best all-time. Of course there are going to always be different opinions for people. There's no "fact" to prove anyone is the greatest of all-time.

    The perception of Brady can drastically change from one game.

    It's what you do, in your sport, during your era that you're forever remembered for. The perception of the general public is not that Elway is the greatest of all-time.

    If you think that, then that's your opinion. But if you put it to a vote, Joe Montana would win hands down.
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    Thank You. That's all I'm saying!! Whew.

    Do you guys seriously not think Brady realizes this? He's calling his QB guru? Brady understands this better than any of us.
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    Sorry, you lost me at Leg:confused2:
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    If Brady loses he might not be knows as the best QB ever, but the New England fan base will always embrace him and he's the best player in team history.

    If Eli loses, the NY fanbase will call for his head for 5000th time in his career, deriding him for being inconsistent and forever lamenting the fact he isn't Peyton.

    The only difference is, Eli doesn't even realize it yet. When you're on top, everything is good. Wait and see his legacy after this one. People will kick themselves for all of the superlatives they threw at a slightly above average quarterback who has done relatively little with all the talent around him.
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    Do you really think he's worrying about his legacy right now?!?!?

    I'm pretty sure he just wants to win for winning!:rocker:
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    That's fine. I don't think anyone should dare throw Brady under the bus if he doesn't win.

    That would be nuts. Brady is a great player. Nothing changes that. But we all know perception in sports can out due reality is what I'm saying. Montana's 4 SBs are largely why he's viewed as the best of all-time, and the fact he did it in dramatic fashion.

    I feel for Tom, because it is a lot of pressure on him to get this done.

    And to someone above, did I not football was the ultimate "team" game? I never thought Brady lost the '07 SB. Just like I didn't think he won them their three by himself.
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    voted already, too absurd to waste grey matter on.
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    Of course you can debate Montana vs. Brady even if he doesn't win. Those 49ers teams were Pro-Bowl rosters; winning three championships in the free agency era is arguably more difficult than winning four when Montana played.
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    Of course he's worried about his legacy. And of course he wants to win. Why can't it be both?

    Do you really believe great players truly don't care where they're viewed as one of the all-time greats?

    I'm sure Brady would never admit it, but I highly doubt it he doesn't care.

    If Brady was just happy about winning, he wouldn't have been so "upset" over his performance. Tom is a perfectionist. He's a competitive person by nature.

    He wants to win in every way. I applaud him for that.
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    Who cares? He'll still go to the Hall and be considered one of the greatest ever. Heck, the fact that he was one of the people to break Marino's record is already being trivialized to some degree by the people who say that it's because the league is geared toward the passing game. Whether that's true or not, my point is you're going to have people who find a way to diminish what someone else has accomplished to some degree, no matter who the person may be. Even if Tom wins this SB, there are still going to be people who try to discredit his accomplishment in some way.
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    Maybe YOU can. YOU can also debate that the world is flat if you want.

    So let me rephrase that.....

    If Pats loses, you won't be able to debate Brady over Montana without everyone laughing at you.
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    there. fixed.
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