How are the Jets doing it ?

[Shockt327]

They got into the playoffs. That's above average, pretty much by definition. The Patriots had better regular seasons and then bowed out without a single win in the playoffs.

Patriots fans used to laugh at the Colts fans about this stuff. Now, many of them are defending it. It's embarrassing to watch. The Jets suck, and they've got a bottom tier QB, but they've been better than the Patriots when it's mattered most during the past 2 seasons.

What I find to be embarrassing is how people have randomly decided to set the parameters of relevancy to the past two playoff games. That's bunk. We have a solid team. This isn't like during the Pete Caroll era where people were expecting another SB trip...and...it...just...wasn't....happening. This current Pats franchise is in good shape. Better than the Jest. And unlike the Jets it's not like the playoffs were the only thing that made the Pats (or their QB) shine in 01-04. They were solid in the reg season too. Won their division. Got a first rd bye. That's a far cry from the Jets.

It's not the early 00's Colts. More like the 80's 49ers; who won 2 SBs....had three years in a row of 1-and-done playoff appearances....and then won 2 more SBs. Why? Cause that's how the playoffs work. Small sample size = unexpected results. It's worked in NE's favor before, it worked against them last year. Fact remains, Pats have a quality team. People are making it sound like NE is the sick man of the NFL. It's such garbage.

I'll reiterate, go look at the 49ers playoff log.

San Francisco 49ers Playoff History - Pro-Football-Reference.com

 

[TommyD4207]

How is it possible that Holmes has a 5 year contract with $24 million guaranteed, and a cap number of only $2.45 mil this season ? The $24 million can't be a future option bonus ( or else it wouldn't be guaranteed ). Doesn't the $24 million guarantee have to be spread over the 5 years of the contract for cap purposes ?

Or is it possible that the future year salaries are guaranteed but not paid up front? Still sounds wrong because if the first year base salary is $1 million, I thought the annual increases in base salary could only go up a certain percentage annually ?

Anyone have any ideas ? Hate watching the Jets manipulate the cap every year. It never seems to catch up with them.

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[StevePatsFan]

I don't see what about him makes him worth $50 million or anywhere near it. Never had more than 79 catches or 1,250 yards in a season. Played 16 games once. Never more than 8 TDs. Take out 2009, his best year would be 55 rec, 942, 8 TD. And he's 27 already.

Oh I agree, my point was regardless of talent excluded I wouldn't give anyone that kind of contract who could miss a year with one screw up!

 

[Deus Irae]

What I find to be embarrassing is how people have randomly decided to set the parameters of relevancy to the past two playoff games. That's bunk. We have a solid team. This isn't like during the Pete Caroll era where people were expecting another SB trip...and...it...just...wasn't....happening. This current Pats franchise is in good shape. Better than the Jest. And unlike the Jets it's not like the playoffs were the only thing that made the Pats (or their QB) shine in 01-04. They were solid in the reg season too. Won their division. Got a first rd bye. That's a far cry from the Jets.

It's not the early 00's Colts. More like the 80's 49ers; who won 2 SBs....had three years in a row of 1-and-done playoff appearances....and then won 2 more SBs. Why? Cause that's how the playoffs work. Small sample size = unexpected results. It's worked in NE's favor before, it worked against them last year. Fact remains, Pats have a quality team. People are making it sound like NE is the sick man of the NFL. It's such garbage.

I'll reiterate, go look at the 49ers playoff log.

San Francisco 49ers Playoff History - Pro-Football-Reference.com

No, it's the early 00's Colts, and I really don't care what someone finds embarrassing when he can't see something that obvious, because I'm talking about the fan base, not the teams.

And the Patriots haven't won a Super Bowl in 7 years now. The 49ers, the team you're trying to equate, never had such a stretch in between SB victories, and their longest drought period was also the period where they changed QBs from Montana to Young. '81/'84/'88/'89/'94 So, I'll reiterate,

Patriots fans used to laugh at the Colts fans about this stuff. Now, many of them are defending it. It's embarrassing to watch.

 

[Ivan]

Did I miss something or have Jets still not won anything significant. While the Patriots have not won a play-off game the last couple of years they have rebuilt an old Championship caliber team while continuing to win at a high level, and while the Jets have improved significantly by being very aggressive in free agency they haven't achieved anything, and the only reason they aren't in cap hell is a loophole that let them out.

 

[MikeyBadnews]

Creative Bookkeeping

 

[Joker]

organized criminal conduct involving numerous parties in the NY metro area

 

[YearbookCurfew]

Jets strategy. Sign a bunch of the most expensive players and guarantee a super bowl victory. If and when they don't win a super bowl guarantee it again...and again....and again! The Jests are mostly just talk. Pats will dominate this upcoming season as they have in seasons past. :rocker:

 

[jmt57]

The Jets are gambling on the 2014 salary cap. They backloaded Holmes' deal. They will backload Asomugha's deal if they get him. They are gambling the salary cap in 2014 will be $161 million or more as was proposed a while back since the new TV deals kick in that year. Of course it could back fire if either Holmes or Asomugha don't live up to their deal and they have to cut them before 2014.

The question will be how it will affect them in 2014 if they have a lot of roster moves. You can argue if the Jets win the Super Bowl in 2011, 2012, or 2013; who cares? It is three years away.

It is tough to push so much money back four seasons and hope the big name contracts will play up to their money level for those three years prior to that year. Also what if the cap the next three years doesn't grow as they expect they could really get themselves in cap jail.

Yes, people have been predicting the Jets will get in cap jail for nearly a decade, but they haven't gamble with the cap like they look to be doing this year. Tannebaum is gambling he fully understands the ramifications of the CBA for the new cap too. He could come out a genius four years from now or an idiot.

It just occurred to me: essentially what the Jets are counting on happening - a huge sudden increase in the salary cap - is precisely what the NFL has been trying to avoid over the last few years by opting out of the old CBA, going through an uncapped year, various lawsuits, and a lockout that was finally resolved about 48 hours ago.

:ugh:

 

[Shockt327]

No, it's the early 00's Colts, and I really don't care what someone finds embarrassing when he can't see something that obvious, because I'm talking about the fan base, not the teams.

And the Patriots haven't won a Super Bowl in 7 years now. The 49ers, the team you're trying to equate, never had such a stretch in between SB victories, and their longest drought period was also the period where they changed QBs from Montana to Young. '81/'84/'88/'89/'94 So, I'll reiterate,

Patriots fans used to laugh at the Colts fans about this stuff. Now, many of them are defending it. It's embarrassing to watch.

Well the Colts team you are trying to equate had their first crack at the playoffs in 99 and were 1-and-done, then one-and-done again in 2000, and again in 2002. A little advancement 2003/04. But one-and-done again in 2005. Yet, so much of that six-year time period was spent among the Colts fanbase verbally fellating Manning and his team as the heir apparent. I don't see how our current fanbase is the same. Or even similar. I mean you can claim all you want that "it's the Colts," but...it isn't. At all.

I don't think our fanbase is defending the results of the last two playoff games. However, what I think they are defensive about is the idea that 2 consecutive one-and-done years must be indicative of something far, far worse. Good for them, cause it's nonsense. The current situation is far more in line with those 80s-49ers than the 00s-Colts.

BTW - I don't want to make it sound like I think it's a given that this team will rattle off two more SBs like the 49ers. Just that 2 one-and-done years does not dissuade me on that idea one bit.

BTW, BTW - Considering those Colts went on to win a SB and get back to another, I'd say that even further diminishes the perceived importance of any previous one-and-done seasons. If our fanbase should be ashamed of something, it's shouldn't be because we are currently defending this Pats team. However, it should be because we laughed-off the Colts as being "chokers" when there was still football history left to be written. This same logic applies to Jets fans who think that the Pats must be "done" because of two playoff games. It's some pretty poor logic.

 

[NEWNYJETS]

simple. we're cheating.

Play nice in someone else's sandbox.

 

[patsfan13]

Well the PAts have been rebuilt over the past 2 years, they were a very young team last year. They will be better this year, le't see what the various rosters are like in a few weeks. We don't know about Mankins and Light. If both are resigned the roster will be stronget than last year. We also had a good draft drafting players at positions where they can contribute year 1 (RB & CB).

The Jets have had a couple of retirements and they are an older team. With Rex helping Tanny they are no longer totally brain dead, absent signing Nnamdi it isn't clear their roster will be better than last year.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Prior to the CBA being settled (and conveniently wiping $8.8M in dead cap off their books) the JETS had lost several significant players including starters to FA and had almost 30 minimum salary players IN THEIR TOP 51 because aside from rookies that's all they had under contract. They have resigned the one guy they had to and would have regardless. They have signed a backup guard to fill Woody's slot. The others are gone and not likely coming back. They will have to be replaced, either by FA or UDFA or PS guys or guys signed to futures contracts... They were one of the thinnest teams depth wise heading into FA. Their last couple of drafts have been underwhelming due to poor selection and lack of picks. If they want to spend all their money on a couple of guys and mortgage the future in desperation because they haven't won a damn thing in 42 years, let them. That's their model, and to date it has netted them nothing. And that's with Tannenbaum as their cap management guru since the Parcell's days...

 

[Deus Irae]

Well the Colts team you are trying to equate had their first crack at the playoffs in 99 and were 1-and-done, then one-and-done again in 2000, and again in 2002. A little advancement 2003/04. But one-and-done again in 2005. Yet, so much of that six-year time period was spent among the Colts fanbase verbally fellating Manning and his team as the heir apparent. I don't see how our current fanbase is the same. Or even similar. I mean you can claim all you want that "it's the Colts," but...it isn't. At all.

You can claim it isn't, all you want, but it is. Shall we continue with the roundabout?

 

[FirstAndGoal]

They beat the Pats in the playoffs last year. Pains me to say it but it would behoove Patriots fans (and perhaps the Pats brass) to take the Jets a little more seriously.

Great, did you guys keep the trophy? Wasn't that the third Jet Super Bowl that year? Congrats on playing one more game than us.

 

[Shockt327]

You can claim it isn't, all you want, but it is. Shall we continue with the roundabout?

If you want to cherry pick one sentence as if its a standalone post and casually ignore the other 4 paragraphs? Ok.

 

[Rob0729]

No, it's the early 00's Colts, and I really don't care what someone finds embarrassing when he can't see something that obvious, because I'm talking about the fan base, not the teams.

And the Patriots haven't won a Super Bowl in 7 years now. The 49ers, the team you're trying to equate, never had such a stretch in between SB victories, and their longest drought period was also the period where they changed QBs from Montana to Young. '81/'84/'88/'89/'94 So, I'll reiterate,

Patriots fans used to laugh at the Colts fans about this stuff. Now, many of them are defending it. It's embarrassing to watch.

The 49ers had a 4 year stretch and a 5 year stretch without a Super Bowl and they had a lot of advantages to maintain their dyansty that the Pats didn't like no salary cap or free agency. Do you really think the 49ers would have won as many Super Bowls as they did or as many as they did if guys like Ronnie Lott, Jerry Rice, Steve Young (while he was still backing up Montana in his prime, etc. hit free agency and the 49ers had a salary cap to deal with (and not just in the tail end of their Dynasty)?

As for the comparisons to the Colts of the early 90s, there are only two years where there is remotely a comparison. The Pats were one or two plays of going 19-0 in 2007. The Colts of the early 00s never sniffed the Super Bowl (the closest they got was getting smoked in the AFC Championship Game by the Pats). 2008 was a mulligan because Brady was out. You can argue the last two years years have been Colts like, but that is not a great sample. In 2005 and 2006, the Super Bowl nucleus just got old (Troy, Tedy, Phifer, Law, Harrison, etc.).

I don't really see the comparisons to the Colts. The Colts were content to be what they were in the 00s. The Pats don't. Belichick constantly trying to restock this team while maintaining their contender status. Last year's defense only had a small handful of players from the 2008 defense. Unfortunately, that means they can't win the Super Bowl year after year.

Last year was supposed to be a rebuilding year for the Pats and most people didn't even have them winning 9 games. They exceeded that expectation by winning 14. Their inexperience and youth caught up to them in the playoffs. That doesn't mean it will happen this year. The Colts were constantly winning 12 plus games in the season and having an early exit from the playoffs with a veteran team with much of the same pieces year after year. A few players would change here and there, but their core remained the same.

 

[Deus Irae]

If you want to cherry pick one sentence as if its a standalone post and casually ignore the other 4 paragraphs? Ok.

No, I want to avoid continuing a discussion about something obvious that you are being willfully blind about. Patriots fans here have become just like the Colts fans they despised in the beginning of the 2000s, with the pimping of the regular season record and stats, and the "It happens but the team's still great and next year is the year, and you can't criticize the team!" defense of the postseason bombs. That's just the reality of what's happened.

 

[Shockt327]

No, I want to avoid continuing a discussion about something obvious that you are being willfully blind about. Patriots fans here have become just like the Colts fans they despised in the beginning of the 2000s, with the pimping of the regular season record and stats, and the "It happens but the team's still great and next year is the year, and you can't criticize the team!" defense of the postseason bombs. That's just the reality of what's happened.

1) Considering those same Colts went on to win a SB and return to another, their fanbase might have had a bit of a point. In hindsight, they were a pretty solid franchise that shouldn't have been so casually dismissed as "chokers." Their reg season record said "contender." Their playoff record said "pretender." I think with hindsight being 20/20 we can admit that The Colts were indeed legit contenders.

2) Dismissing the notion -- that 2 one-and-done seasons must somehow mean our team is just a pretender and not a contender -- is a far cry from acting like the franchise cannot be criticized at all. I hear quite a bit of grumbling these days. I don't think too many are wearing the blinders when it comes to this team. In fact, I'd say the fans wearing the biggest blinders are the opposing ones who are intent on dismissing NE based on two games -- despite the actual talent on the roster.

 

[Rob0729]

BTW, the Jets' "doing it" may blow up in their face. Whether the reports are true or not right now, odds are Nate Clements is cut. The 49ers need to win the battle for Asomugha. I think they will may give him a deal he can't turn down.

While this happened, the Jets lost out on Antwan Barnes. Cromartie looks like he may be signing with Oakland. Teams look to be pursuing Eric and Brad Smith. Braylon Edwards basically has been told he is gone and will likely sign with someone else possibly before the Asomugha thing is settled.

I wonder if the Jets have a plan B for their free agency or did they put all their eggs in the Asomugha basket assuming he would be willing to take less to come the Jets. If their Plan B was resigning Cromartie and Edwards, they might be out of luck before Nnamdi makes up his mind. Also, Jonathan Joseph is supposed to make up his mind tonight which team he will sign with so he cannot be a Plan B either.