Mankins could hold up NFL settlement

[HomerSchooled]

Mankins is quickly becoming my least favorite Patriot. I hope this doesn't actually affect the settlement, because the very notion that it may is just appalling. Thankfully, some people in the know have said that it can't, so this has to be a bluff, right? A sickening, disgusting, selfish bluff.

Trying Matt Light at Guard is starting to seem much more appealing. There's a few other fine free agent guards out there (Dahl, Colledge, Yanda, Joseph, etc). Maybe we can offer them what we offered Mankins and they'd be grateful. Seriously, I'm ready to wretch over all this. If any team can stomach him long enough to offer more than a third round pick for him, I say do it.

Gah. I'm overreacting, and I know it. Odds are this won't mean a thing, and I'll smile like everyone else if the Patriots sign him long term. I'm just desperate for the league year to start, and I'm rushing to judgment. I need football. Bad.

 

[IllegalContact]

there are 2 sides to this argument.........it was not mankins' fault there was no CBA last year, and if there was an agreement in place, that he would have been either franchised or had a new contract in place.

I don't blame him........especially in a world where the team can dump your ass even though you are under contract. especially in an organization where retirees have been treated like dirt

 

[BlueThunder]

I look at the Mankins hissy fit as a win-win for me...


If he signs long term..GREAT

If the Pats trade him and get a pick for him...OK


If BB deems him a distraction, he'll be gone.....if not, they'll try to work a deal....


In BB I Trust :rocker:

 

[IllegalContact]

Mankins is quickly becoming my least favorite Patriot. I hope this doesn't actually affect the settlement, because the very notion that it may is just appalling. Thankfully, some people in the know have said that it can't, so this has to be a bluff, right? A sickening, disgusting, selfish bluff.

Trying Matt Light at Guard is starting to seem much more appealing. There's a few other fine free agent guards out there (Dahl, Colledge, Yanda, Joseph, etc). Maybe we can offer them what we offered Mankins and they'd be grateful. Seriously, I'm ready to wretch over all this. If any team can stomach him long enough to offer more than a third round pick for him, I say do it.

Gah. I'm overreacting, and I know it. Odds are this won't mean a thing, and I'll smile like everyone else if the Patriots sign him long term. I'm just desperate for the league year to start, and I'm rushing to judgment. I need football. Bad.

light is a free agent........you'll be ponying up $$ for him, so you might as well just pay mankins........

its not like what he is requesting is goign to go against the cap

 

[Rob0729]

Florio is in rare form this AM and he's got that covered. Along with Kessler...

Kessler’s last stand? | ProFootballTalk

I do gotta agree with Florio in that all Mankins and Jackson did was put their name on a piece of paper. They have done nothing else to deserve something extra. They never went to the meetings. They have never fought for anything for their fellow players. Guys like Jeff Saturday and Dominique Foxworth deserve something, not Mankins and Jackson. I am sure both Mankins and Jackson put their name on the lawsuit expecting a Reggie White concession.

Also, I love the NFLPA source who argues that they are in the right to totally derail the process since they have been "screwed" by the system. Seriously?!? They both were forced to be RFAs last year because they agreed to be RFAs through their representives in the NFLPA who agreed to the out clause in the 2006 CBA and the rules of the uncapped year in that CBA. Both players were in the league in 2006. I wonder if they voted for the CBA back then. If they were, they approved the system that made them RFAs last year.

 

[IllegalContact]

I look at the Mankins hissy fit as a win-win for me...


If he signs long term..GREAT

If the Pats trade him and get a pick for him...OK


If BB deems him a distraction, he'll be gone.....if not, they'll try to work a deal....


In BB I Trust :rocker:

they need him.....pretty badly

 

[Rob0729]

there are 2 sides to this argument.........it was not mankins' fault there was no CBA last year, and if there was an agreement in place, that he would have been either franchised or had a new contract in place.

I don't blame him........especially in a world where the team can dump your ass even though you are under contract. especially in an organization where retirees have been treated like dirt

Is it not his fault? He voted to either approve or disaprove the last CBA. If he voted yes to approve the CBA in 2006, he is partially responsible for his own situation. Most likely he did vote yes which means he approved the out clause for the owners which was likely they were going to use and the system to make him a RFA last year.

I don't blame him for trying to get whatever money he can, but if he puts his own personal self interests ahead of his fellow platers', league office workers, stadium staff, coaches, etc. and the NFL loses games because he wants more money that won't be shared with any other players; he is 100% to blame and should be blackballed by the NFL. Collective bargaining means that you bargin for the benefit of the whole group, not individual members.

 

[BlueThunder]

He's an OG.....The Pats NEED Brady....


Think..Milloy,Seymour, Moss..etc...

All those players that they would be screwed if they didn't have....

BB will do what's best for the TEAM.......

 

[IllegalContact]

Is it not his fault? He voted to either approve or disaprove the last CBA. If he voted yes to approve the CBA in 2006, he is partially responsible for his own situation. Most likely he did vote yes which means he approved the system to make him a RFA last year.

was he in the NFL when they voted on it? even if he was, it was the owners who opted out of the most recent CBA, not the players........and who knows.....maybe he voted against it, not that it has any kind of real point in this

 

[IllegalContact]

He's an OG.....The Pats NEED Brady....


Think..Milloy,Seymour, Moss..etc...

All those players that they would be screwed if they didn't have....

BB will do what's best for the TEAM.......

and where has this team gone in the last few years? exactly where teams go when they bleed talent.......it's one thing to be letting has-beens go......its a complete different story when you start letting your pro-bowlers (seymour and mankins) walk

yes the team needs a QB, but even having the best QB can only get you so far.

at this point, who will replace mankins (especially when they already don't have a replacement for neal that makes anyone feel good)

very bad timing to be replacing your entire left side of your OL

 

[Rob0729]

they need him.....pretty badly

He definitely makes the team better, but I don't know if they need him pretty badly. Replace him with Robert Gallery (for example) and although it is a downgrade, it isn't huge. And the Pats would probably free up $5-6 million on the cap doing so. The Patriots did go 6-1 without him last year.

Mankins might be the best guard in the league, but he is still a guard. Even the best guards are replacable far more easily than most positions.

 

[Rob0729]

and where has this team gone in the last few years? exactly where teams go when they bleed talent.......it's one thing to be letting has-beens go......its a complete different story when you start letting your pro-bowlers (seymour and mankins) walk

yes the team needs a QB, but even having the best QB can only get you so far.

at this point, who will replace mankins (especially when they already don't have a replacement for neal that makes anyone feel good)

very bad timing to be replacing your entire left side of your OL

First, who said Light is definitely gone? He could be resigned.

Second, this team has had a lot of journeymen and shuffling of the o-line during the Super Bowl years. The only players who were on all three Super Bowl winning teams were Light and Joe Andruzzi (and Andruzzi was a journeyman before and after he was with the Patriots). I trust Scarnecchia to put together a makeshift o-line and make them at least above average. He did it in 2001 where Damien Woody was the only player on the line who wasn't a journeyman (Andruzzi, Compton) or rookie (Matt Light).

Third, losing Mankins would definitely not be ideal, but there are several very good guards on the market who can be more than adequet replacements until Cannon can step in.

 

[HomerSchooled]

light is a free agent........you'll be ponying up $$ for him, so you might as well just pay mankins........

its not like what he is requesting is goign to go against the cap

I'm well aware of that. But Light isn't going to call for 8-10 million/year like Mankins is. We could maybe even get him for half of that. If the costs were closer, I'd see your point. But that's a significant difference. We could very well get a Shaun Ellis type player with the savings alone.

 

[aabtec]

I agree, but the issue is neither side can vote until they agree to a settlement that makes all the court cases go away. Reportedly both the NFLPA and NFL are working on that as we speak. They want to roll it all up into a neat package (anti trust suit, Doty TV case, collusion charge hanging since last December, retirees seperate suit) and essentally have all the proceedings dismissed. Their should be no consideration for any party in order to achieve that since nobody has won an actual court verdict in any case to date.

Why is it that everybody is giving Mankins grief. The Krafts have had all the power for the last couple of years. Mankins sat out most of last year rather than accept the Franchise Tag. Does anyone here really think he cares on bit about the Krafts? He has stated publicly that they reneged on some agreement.

As far what the others players think about Mankins I am betting he does not really care?
Mark Sanchez does not like him? Booo Hooo. Pats fans don't like him, so what? Seriously,
too many people fail to understand that this is a cut throat buisness.

Mankins will get what he wants. When the NFL looks at the prospect of loosing pre-season games due to this there will be an accomodation made.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Goodell will point out to the owners that the Pats get screwed if they conceed and let Logan be a FA. It'll hapen. If so, were I the Pats I'd make Light a nice $ offer to play LG/LT as needed.

 

[mgcolby]

was he in the NFL when they voted on it? even if he was, it was the owners who opted out of the most recent CBA, not the players........and who knows.....maybe he voted against it, not that it has any kind of real point in this

The 2006 CBA extension was done on March 9th of 2006 - he most definitely was in the NFL. Honestly, whether he voted against it (doubtful)or not is irrelevent; his union voted for it. So as a group, the players approved a CBA extension that allowed the owners to opt out. End of story, if he has a problem with the 6th year RFA issue then he needs to send a letter to his fellow players, maybe he can call the player reps liars too.

I'm failing to see your argument here.

 

[mgcolby]

Why is it that everybody is giving Mankins grief. The Krafts have had all the power for the last couple of years. Mankins sat out most of last year rather than accept the Franchise Tag. Does anyone here really think he cares on bit about the Krafts? He has stated publicly that they reneged on some agreement.

As far what the others players think about Mankins I am betting he does not really care?
Mark Sanchez does not like him? Booo Hooo. Pats fans don't like him, so what? Seriously,
too many people fail to understand that this is a cut throat buisness.

Mankins will get what he wants. When the NFL looks at the prospect of loosing pre-season games due to this there will be an accomodation made.

The "agreement" that the Pats supposedly reneged on was that Kraft and Co. promised to address his contract situaton after the season ended and that they would take care of him. They offered him a contract that would have made him the 3rd highest paid Guard in the league. And for that, Kraft and Co. became liars, I mean after all how dare the cheap bastards come to the table with such an insulting offer?

 

[BlueThunder]

and where has this team gone in the last few years? exactly where teams go when they bleed talent.......it's one thing to be letting has-beens go......its a complete different story when you start letting your pro-bowlers (seymour and mankins) walk

yes the team needs a QB, but even having the best QB can only get you so far.

at this point, who will replace mankins (especially when they already don't have a replacement for neal that makes anyone feel good)

very bad timing to be replacing your entire left side of your OL

Pats also were getting older and slower.....some teams go into rebuild mode and become .500 teams and worse.....the Patriots rebuilt their team on the fly without losing a beat.....Sure, they haven't been to the SB in a few years...but only 2 teams a year get there and it takes not only skill but some luck (being healthy is helpful)...

This season should be another start to a deep run into the playoffs if they can keep key players healthy.....

Nobody expects this years rookies to have to contibute alot...Solder may be a pleasant surprise and if he turns into another Vollmer, the OL will be solid for years....whatever they get out of Vereen and Ridley will be a bonus ... Dowling can learn without any pressure...Mallett is a project for the future......Cannon could be another stud OL in a year or so...

Plenty of ???? but the future for the Pats looks bright...

 

[The Scrizz]

The 2006 CBA extension was done on March 9th of 2006 - he most definitely was in the NFL. Honestly, whether he voted against it (doubtful)or not is irrelevent; his union voted for it. So as a group, the players approved a CBA extension that allowed the owners to opt out. End of story, if he has a problem with the 6th year RFA issue then he needs to send a letter to his fellow players, maybe he can call the player reps liars too.

I'm failing to see your argument here.

And regardless, players have been holding out and demanding trades and all this other bull**** for years because they don't like the system which they helped put into place. My favorite is when they take a huge bonus up front in lieu of higher salaries and then claim 2 years later that they are 'underpaid'.

 

[townes]

Mankins hasn't asked for anything according to Schefter 10 seconds ago. This deal will be done in short time and nothing is going to stop it from happening.