I think people are giving BaltimorePatsFan way too much crap for his statement. Harris and Scott are both excellent LBs and personally I think David Harris is every bit the player Mayo is. What is it exactly that Mayo does so much better than him? Is he better in coverage? As a blitzer? Can he peel off blocks better? I don't see any of that, and don't just throw tackle numbers at me, there is a hell of a lot more that goes into evaluating an ILB than just tackles.
As far as Scott goes, I think it's pretty clear he doesn't have the athleticism and raw talent that Mayo and Harris have. Because of that, he plays a different type of role than the other two, he does more of the dirty work. As far as effectiveness in his role goes, he is fantastic. Those low tackle numbers do not represent the kind of high impact player he is to a run defense. He's also an excellent blitzer and has the speed to run down players who attack the edge.
Any respected football analyst and they will tell you Bart Scott's high level of play has had an enormous impact on the Jets' defense the last two years.
I still believe Mayo is the better player, but it's certainly not as one-sided as people in this thread want to believe.
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1. You made the comment Harris was as good as Mayo. That's been proven incorrect on three different levels. General consensus is not Patsfans.com, it's NFL fans. You don't like nor understand this.
2. Bart Scott is a huge impact player. That's why he made considerably less plays than Jerod Mayo in 2010. Funny how tackles aren't that important according to you yet myriads of articles and news items come out across 2010/2011 championing the surest tacklers in the NFL and their importance.
3. Excellent blitzer Bart Scott. Pulled an impressive 1 sack season in 2010.
4. Yes I agree Jerod Mayo is a fantastic player. I agree that you agree Jerod Mayo is a better player than Bart Scott. You made this comment. You've confused yourself as to why you're arguing given Scott had a better year than Harris who Mayo obliterated and matched for combined seasons.
Pompous, arrogant blah blah blah I'm not the fool arguing one point of view than contradicting myself during my argument.
I stated my opinion that Harris is as good as Mayo. Then I simply asked why people felt so strongly the other way. Like I said in my last post, if you had written about Harris' limitations or brought any kind of nuance to the argument I would have respected it. Instead you say "Mayo is better at everything." Sorry, but to me that comes across as just some simpleton BS.
You keep trumpeting "statistical evidence" but that same evidence would lead me to believe Paul Posluszny is a better player than Patrick Willis. Basically, it's not evidence at all. There are no significant differences in the other categories, why is this not considered evidence that perhaps the gap between the two isn't as wide? When did tackles become such an important metric for measuring and comparing players?
So you've pretty much brought nothing to this discussion and just acted like an arrogant douchenozzle the whole time. Just so you know, you are allowed to disagree with people without acting like a smug know-it-all. You should try it some time.
1. You did state your opinion that Harris is as good as Mayo. You also said Mayo > Scott which means Scott > Harris which means Mayo > Scott > Harris. This one is real simple. PRODUCTION.
2. Paul Posluszny is an excellent footballer and underrated. Attempting to use him in an unrelated argument is juvenile mistake.
3. I agree I haven't brought much to our to and fro. You haven't provided me with a reasonable challenge given you've basically discounted 3 unrelated measures of player performance/regard because you don't like it. Sooky sooky la la.
4. I'm not disagreeing with people, I'm disagreeing with an idiotic opinion. I happen to think Scott and Harris are good players but they're certainly not in the top echelon of linebackers like Mayo is. You refuse to accept this.
You're a pretty odd dude, and I'm starting to believe your reading comprehension skills are seriously lacking. Suddenly I'm a bull**** artist?
How does believing Davis Harris is an elite LB make me a bull**** artist? Or is it because I don't think tackle stats make for an accurate measurement of a players' impact?
You'll excuse me if "general consensus" at patsfans.com is something I take with a grain of salt. You might notice, however, that when "expert" opinion was brought into discussion, I CONCEDED THE POINT.
What I haven't conceded is that David Harris is an excellent player (there hasn't been any evidence brought forth to suggest otherwise) and that you have brought nothing to this discussion other than a very unlikeable tone of arrogance.
1. Because he doesn't have the numbers and performances. Simple.
2. This point has been covered multiple times. You did concede the point which basically makes all of your points moot and my initial point the correct one. Why you've bothered to argue past this is your problem.
3. Unlikeable.. I'll wager it's been rather enjoyable to some seeing someone with an unsupportable point of view attempt to support that with nothing other than opinion. I've found it mildly entertaining.
Mayo >>>>>>>>>>Harris>>Scott
In summary and after much thought provoking argument you agree that Mayo is better than David Harris and Bart Scott even in light of your own contradictions. Funny that isn't it.
