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[BlueThunder]

Is douchenozzle even a word?

 

[Professor Frink]

No just is just Jets Fans opinions

Looking into this further I think that Brandon Spikes is just as good as both Harris and Scott. If he had of played in all 16 games his stats would have been the comparable with Harris and better then Scott's. Now he is only a two down LB for us and missed 4 games so just imagine how good he will be next year. I would put Harris and Scott more in the Class of Guyton but that is just me

Neither Brandon Spikes or Gary Guyton have proven they are anything more than part time players. They both have serious flaws in their games that would be exposed if they play too much. Harris and Scott are every down players who are critical contributors to an elite unit. No comparison IMO.

 

[BlueThunder]

Guyton is a rôle player....but Spikes is still just a rookie...

Spikes hasn't even got a full season under his belt...too early to evaluate him as a part time ILB.....

Talk to us after the season is over and maybe you will have something substantial to point out....you sound like Kiper on draft day

 

[Professor Frink]

Guyton is a rôle player....but Spikes is still just a rookie...

Spikes hasn't even got a full season under his belt...too early to evaluate him as a part time ILB.....

Talk to us after the season is over and maybe you will have something substantial to point out....you sound like Kiper on draft day

Then wait until next season to declare him better than Harris or Scott

 

[BlueThunder]

Sorry...you are tilting at windmills....I never said anything about Harris or Scott other than I wouldn't mind Harris being a Patriot and Scott has a big mouth....

YOU are the one evaluating a rookie....

 

[NEGoldenAge]

Neither Brandon Spikes or Gary Guyton have proven they are anything more than part time players. They both have serious flaws in their games that would be exposed if they play too much. Harris and Scott are every down players who are critical contributors to an elite unit. No comparison IMO.

.:trolls:.

 

[Deus Irae]

.:trolls:.

How's that a troll post? To this point in their respective careers, Spikes can't defend the pass and Guyton can't defend the run.

 

[BlueThunder]

Key words for Spikes being " to this point in his 12 game career" .......

3 PD and 1 INT .....

 

[Deus Irae]

Key words for Spikes being " to this point in his 12 game career" .......

3 PD and 1 INT .....

Well, sure, but the guy did post

Then wait until next season to declare him better than Harris or Scott

it's not as if he was killing Spikes or anything like that.

 

[NEGoldenAge]

How's that a troll post? To this point in their respective careers, Spikes can't defend the pass and Guyton can't defend the run.

That post wasn't too trolly, but some of his early ones definitely are. People trying to say Spikes is better than both Jets starting ILBs is kinda silly and is just giving a troll some easy ammo. If you don't feed the trolls, they just leave.

 

[Professor Frink]

That post wasn't too trolly, but some of his early ones definitely are. People trying to say Spikes is better than both Jets starting ILBs is kinda silly and is just giving a troll some easy ammo. If you don't feed the trolls, they just leave.

Exactly which of my posts were "trolly?"

 

[BlueThunder]

Who said he was killing Spikes?

It sure sounded like he was sayin that I was downing Harris....I think he got confused and attributed something that CanadianPat'sfan posted with what I posted....

My post:

Guyton is a rôle player....but Spikes is still just a rookie...

Spikes hasn't even got a full season under his belt...too early to evaluate him as a part time ILB.....

Talk to us after the season is over and maybe you will have something substantial to point out....you sound like Kiper on draft day

NEVER said anything about Harris OR Scott....I just defended the Patriot player's side, and I even agreed that Guyton was a situational LB.....

Move along, nothing to see here..........

 

[Professor Frink]

Who said he was killing Spikes?

It sure sounded like he was sayin that I was downing Harris....I think he got confused and attributed something that CanadianPat'sfan posted with what I posted....

My post:




NEVER said anything about Harris OR Scott....I just defended the Patriot player's side, and I even agreed that Guyton was a situational LB.....

Move along, nothing to see here..........

What you said was in response to my responding to CPF's comment, so I assumed you agreed. If I was mistaken I apologize. If you're not of the opinion that Spikes is better than Harris or Scott, then I have no issue with what you said.

It's not like I believe Spikes can't continue to grow and develope as a player.

 

[CanadianPat'sFan]

That post wasn't too trolly, but some of his early ones definitely are. People trying to say Spikes is better than both Jets starting ILBs is kinda silly and is just giving a troll some easy ammo. If you don't feed the trolls, they just leave.

Man my bad I did feed the Troll

Just wanted this jets fan to get up in arms about my comment of Mayo's two counterparts being better then the Jets LBrs. Just board on this Canada Day morning nursing a hangover.

 

[BlueThunder]

Happy Canada Day !!!!!

:eat2:

 

[ausbacker]

I stated my opinion that Harris is as good as Mayo. Then I simply asked why people felt so strongly the other way. Like I said in my last post, if you had written about Harris' limitations or brought any kind of nuance to the argument I would have respected it. Instead you say "Mayo is better at everything." Sorry, but to me that comes across as just some simpleton BS.

You keep trumpeting "statistical evidence" but that same evidence would lead me to believe Paul Posluszny is a better player than Patrick Willis. Basically, it's not evidence at all. There are no significant differences in the other categories, why is this not considered evidence that perhaps the gap between the two isn't as wide? When did tackles become such an important metric for measuring and comparing players?

So you've pretty much brought nothing to this discussion and just acted like an arrogant douchenozzle the whole time. Just so you know, you are allowed to disagree with people without acting like a smug know-it-all. You should try it some time.

You got found out for being a bullshît artist and don't like it. Statistics & performance refute your opinion as well as general consensus and expert opinion. So we have 3 basic metrics there that discredit your personal opinion, not 1 but 3. 3 unrelated metrics.

The biggest idiots are the ones who don't know when to give up after they've been flogged. You're in that boat.

 

[TheComeback]

I'm looking at Mayo/Spikes as the new version of Bruschi/Johnson. Spikes, like Johnson, will be the thumper who just shuts down opponents who try to run at him, and Mayo will play the Bruschi role of all around ILB.

I'd like to see them avoid the injury issues as much as possible, though.

That's a good comparison, but I think Spikes has a nose for zone coverage that Johnson didn't. His lack of speed will limit that ability in the open field, but in the red zone, he could be tough to throw against over the middle. I think his slowness would be mitigated by the smaller field.

In any case, we needed a guy like Spikes, and it was nice to see him fit into that thumper role last year.

One thing is certain. Both of them have more athletic talent than Bruschi and Johnson. Unfortunately, talent isn't everything. Whether they ever show the ability to step up in the big moments and make plays is something only time will tell. I think experience has something to do with developing that kind of confidence and intensity, but we'll see.

Harris is just a slower version of Mayo. Scott is the block-buster that you want next to Mayo.

I'm not an expert, but Harris seems to be quite a bit stronger against the run than Mayo. He's definitely better at shedding blocks.

 

[BlueThunder]

You got found out for being a bullshît artist and don't like it. Statistics & performance refute your opinion as well as general consensus and expert opinion. So we have 3 basic metrics there that discredit your personal opinion, not 1 but 3. 3 unrelated metrics.

The biggest idiots are the ones who don't know when to give up after they've been flogged. You're in that boat.

Note to self: Don't try to BS aussy

 

[Professor Frink]

You got found out for being a bullshît artist and don't like it. Statistics & performance refute your opinion as well as general consensus and expert opinion. So we have 3 basic metrics there that discredit your personal opinion, not 1 but 3. 3 unrelated metrics.

The biggest idiots are the ones who don't know when to give up after they've been flogged. You're in that boat.

You're a pretty odd dude, and I'm starting to believe your reading comprehension skills are seriously lacking. Suddenly I'm a bull**** artist?

How does believing Davis Harris is an elite LB make me a bull**** artist? Or is it because I don't think tackle stats make for an accurate measurement of a players' impact?

You'll excuse me if "general consensus" at patsfans.com is something I take with a grain of salt. You might notice, however, that when "expert" opinion was brought into discussion, I CONCEDED THE POINT.

What I haven't conceded is that David Harris is an excellent player (there hasn't been any evidence brought forth to suggest otherwise) and that you have brought nothing to this discussion other than a very unlikeable tone of arrogance.

 

[BlueThunder]

opcorn:

This should be fun

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