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Does anybody Realize that the Patriots Will have a top 10 pick this year?


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Yeah, I'm starting to think some of these people just became Pats fans recently because they apparently don't know how things work here yet.

Ty January 2010
 
Wow, I'm trying hard not to be a "get off my lawn" type, but there's SO many posts that seem ill-informed, lame, and childish to me lately. Maybe I'm getting old...
 
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lol because trading up in the 2nd and 3rd is the same as sitting put in the top 10.
Well, when you do as well as the Pats have in the last decade, you never get a chance to stay put in the top ten - if you stay put, it's more like in the last ten or so.


The original comment was that 'Bill will trade down... he always does.' I guess I missed the fine print that there were conditions to that comment, which has now been repeated so often it is accepted as fact, that the discussion was limited to only the first round.

So, how then does one explain ten first round draft picks in ten years (plus one more that was taken away by Goodell)? I mean, if he "always trades down", wouldn't it be more like three or four first round picks in ten years?

But if you only want to look at first round picks, fine.

In the last ten years the Pats under Belichick have traded up in the first round to select Daniel Graham and Ty Warren. They stayed where they were to get Richard Seymour, Ben Watson, Logan Mankins, and Laurence Maroney.

I suppose trading a first round pick for another pick and a future first round pick falls under the "trading down" umbrella in some eyes - though I'm not sure that's accurate, since they technically move up to an earlier pick. I guess that means trading away that '03 pick to Baltimore, which they used on Kyle Boller, was horrible since it meant the Pats had to wait a year to get Vince Wilfork (and were able to add Eugene Wilson and Dan Klecko in the process.) Jerod Mayo was another first round pick made available by trading into the following season.

It's only been in the last two years that the team flat-out traded down. In 2009 that picked turned into Darius Butler, Brandon Tate, Rob Gronkowski and Julian Edelman. The 2010 pick turned into Devin McCourty, Taylor Price and Aaron Hernandez.

Now perhaps you can make the argument that Michael Oher or Clay Matthews would be better for the Pats than those first four players, or that Dez Bryant would be better than the other three, but that's probably better left as a separate discussion in another thread for another day - about three years from now. However this often repeated statement that 'Belichick always trades down, he never trades up' is a myth.
 
Bill never "always" does anything, except do what he thinks is right for the team whether it's popular with the fans at the time or not.
 
I'm excited about this team, present and future. A few of the young guys look to be budding stars:

Chung, McCourty, Vollmer, and Hernandez, come to mind.

Other guys have loads of potential:

Gronk, Cunningham, Tate, and Woodheadwow come to mind.

And there are other young guys that I really like- especially Edelman and Connolly.

We've got a ton of draftpicks, money to spend, and the quarterback and coach to make this happen. AND Brady is still young enough that he is likely to be productive for a good 3-4 years (and maybe more).

I'd like to see this team win SB in 2 out of the next 4 years, and I think it's entirely within the realm of possibility that they will.

WW
 
The 2004-05 NHL season says hello.
And nobody noticed.

To think that there will be a lockout next season is pure comedy. The biggest sport in America on lockout?

:rolleyes:

They will make it happen.
 
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And nobody noticed.

To think that there will be a lockout next season is pure comedy. The biggest sport in America on lockout?

:rolleyes:

They will make it happen.
I'm sure there were many that thought the same exact thing about baseball and the world series.

The fact that the NFL is the biggest sport in America is irrelevant to negotiations. The owners do not want to continue as is, and the players don't want to give up anything they have succeeded in obtaining. Is one side or the other going to cave just because you and I will have to find something different to do on Sunday afternoons late in the year? I doubt it.
 
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I'm sure there were many that thought the same exact thing about baseball and the world series.

The fact that the NFL is the biggest sport in America is irrelevant to negotiations. The owners do not want to continue as is, and the players don't want to give up anything they have succeeded in obtaining. Is one side or the other going to cave just because you and I will have to find something different to do on Sunday afternoons late in the year? I doubt it.

Sports in 2010 != sports in 1994.

Don't forget, though, that (A) the economics of baseball are vastly different from those of football, and (B) MLB and NFL have very different viewpoints on PR. [Would the NFL ever have a playoff game on a weekday afternoon?]
 
We all know this is what will happen. Trade down and pick up another pick the next year.
Pass on that real playmaker we need for Value.

Yeah.... like letting a guy like Vernon Gholston go to the Jets and trading down instead to get Mayo. Or trading down to get a "value" player like McCourty at #27 when he could have had a head case like Dez Bryant. Or trading down Chung at #34, who can barely make a tackle without knocking a guys head off, let alone block two kicks in the same game. Why does BB think he can just fill his roster with trash like that and still win?

It must be great to be a fan of a team like Tennessee who took Pacman Jones at #6 overall-- that guy is a real shut down corner. You just cant have enough of those real playmakers.
 
How strong and deep is the 2010 draft looking? I don't follow college football at all.
 
Well, when you do as well as the Pats have in the last decade, you never get a chance to stay put in the top ten - if you stay put, it's more like in the last ten or so.


The original comment was that 'Bill will trade down... he always does.' I guess I missed the fine print that there were conditions to that comment, which has now been repeated so often it is accepted as fact, that the discussion was limited to only the first round.

So, how then does one explain ten first round draft picks in ten years (plus one more that was taken away by Goodell)? I mean, if he "always trades down", wouldn't it be more like three or four first round picks in ten years?

But if you only want to look at first round picks, fine.

In the last ten years the Pats under Belichick have traded up in the first round to select Daniel Graham and Ty Warren. They stayed where they were to get Richard Seymour, Ben Watson, Logan Mankins, and Laurence Maroney.

I suppose trading a first round pick for another pick and a future first round pick falls under the "trading down" umbrella in some eyes - though I'm not sure that's accurate, since they technically move up to an earlier pick. I guess that means trading away that '03 pick to Baltimore, which they used on Kyle Boller, was horrible since it meant the Pats had to wait a year to get Vince Wilfork (and were able to add Eugene Wilson and Dan Klecko in the process.) Jerod Mayo was another first round pick made available by trading into the following season.

It's only been in the last two years that the team flat-out traded down. In 2009 that picked turned into Darius Butler, Brandon Tate, Rob Gronkowski and Julian Edelman. The 2010 pick turned into Devin McCourty, Taylor Price and Aaron Hernandez.

Now perhaps you can make the argument that Michael Oher or Clay Matthews would be better for the Pats than those first four players, or that Dez Bryant would be better than the other three, but that's probably better left as a separate discussion in another thread for another day - about three years from now. However this often repeated statement that 'Belichick always trades down, he never trades up' is a myth.

Im going to make this really short and sweet. People here couldn't care less if BB trades up in round 4 or from round 5 to round 6. Most people here don't even watch the draft post day 1 so what BB does after then is irrelevant to them. This thread is about the Patriots supposedly having a top 10 pick this year when the majority of people expect Bill to trade out of that pick towards the later end of the round for better "value" as opposed to staying put and picking up a "flashier" game impacting player.
 
TB=TD said:
when has Bill made a sound draft choice?

Chung says hello
GRONK says hello
Hernz says hello
McCourty says hello
Tom FU**ING Brady says hello!
 
There will be a rookie cap hopefully by the next draft, which probably means it's less likely the Pats trade down a top pick for salary reasons.
 
How strong and deep is the 2010 draft looking? I don't follow college football at all.

To me, it's looking a little bit like the 2007 draft. :(
 
How strong and deep is the 2010 draft looking? I don't follow college football at all.

Pretty good, Gronk and Hernandez have already been real positives, McCourty is holding his own.....unless you mean the 2011 Draft? ;)

In that case, very very good. The first round looks tremendously strong, which bodes well for the following seven.
 
Pretty good, Gronk and Hernandez have already been real positives, McCourty is holding his own.....unless you mean the 2011 Draft? ;)

In that case, very very good. The first round looks tremendously strong, which bodes well for the following seven.

Outside of the first round, the cupboard is looking pretty barren though.
 
AJ Green, Allen Bailey and Mark Ingram are possibilities with that Raider pick. Knowing Bill he will probably go with a DE with our first pick.
 
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