Rumor: Moss to Vikings?

[BradysBunch12]

I don't know what people are freaking out about. We've won 0 rings with Moss. He's the kind of fantasy football player we used to make fun of when we were winning championships. Since when have Pats fans fell in love with big names and fantasy football stats.

This isn't hindsight, either. I never hated Randy Moss when he was on the team, but I wasn't one of those ballwashers, and in fact envied what the Saints were doing last year with no high-profile receiver and looking like the Pats of old.

 

[PatsDeb]

I think I am going to cry. Not because I think the trade will kill us or anything, I just didn't want it to end like this

Have to agree. Why would either Moss or the Pats want to do this, at this point? Moss will get a contract in a place he already left because they wouldn't pay him, to be paired with a QB that can't get it done any more, and possibly end up like he did in Oakland, frustrated and wanting out.

The Pats will leave themselves limited on offense, just when things were coming together in a big way for some stupid picks they don't need next year.

This is a real bummer and a head scratcher all around. Are the Pats so set on not re-signing Moss? Why? Why?

 

[Kontradiction]

Re: Mixed Feelings on Moss

He's probably giving us no choice by his own actions. We can't go back to a cr*p attitude locker room like last year. We can't force him to "be nice".

I look forward to our winning a super bowl without him or Terry Glenn or anyone else. We are one draft and one years experience from being both young and L33t. We lost Brady and won 11 games with BB ......... I know he'll adjust.

At this point, the compensation could be "whatever we can get". That's probably the case.

Moss was a huge reason for winning those 11 games in 2008, FWIW.

 

[The Dynasty]

Tanguay is 100% wrong.

There is no reason for Moss to confront BB. He knows already what is going on. They were working on a trade for Moss prior to this game (Glazer/Rappaport).

This jibes in with what other people have reported. Namely that Moss had his agent ask for a trade after week one.

Also Tanguay is far from being an insider when it comes to the NFL.

Tanguay does have an "in" with the Krafts. Part of the reason why he is still doing Pats pre/post game on 98.5

 

[patsox23]

I am so sick of BB destroying Patriot teams that could have potential. The Seymour trade was garbage, but this one will take the cake if true.

This is not the smartest post I've ever read. I know you're upset, but this is silly.

 

[VectorPrime]

I'm going to keep posting this until the end of time

I don't understand. this is ONE DAY after BB finally inspired the team that they can do it, that no one should count them out. The team was finally rallied and set to go on to great things later in the season.

How could he give up on them after that? How could he say that the doubters were right all along and this team has no chance to contend? He JUST convinced them that the media was full of crap. Now he changes his mind?

This makes NO sense.

 

[SVN]

I don't know what people are freaking out about. We've won 0 rings with Moss. He's the kind of fantasy football player we used to make fun of when we were winning championships. Since when have Pats fans fell in love with big names and fantasy football stats.

This isn't hindsight, either. I never hated Randy Moss when he was on the team, but I wasn't one of those ballwashers, and in fact envied what the Saints were doing last year with no high-profile receiver and looking like the Pats of old.

if we have colston or henderson without moss i wouldnt care...IMO the timing of this sucks ...if this happened in the offseason it would be diff..right now we are thin at RB,our D is raw and the offense without moss has one established vet receiver in welker. and we are into week 5 of the season. how will they improve the team without moss this season is my question..

 

[rookBoston]

This thread reminds me of the "Bledsoe to Bills" thread. The sense if impending doom also reminds me of the release of Lawyer Milloy. It amazes me how fans are so quick to turn on the coach who has crafted the franchise into a perennial contender. I dont get it.

So far I haven't seen anyone mention the fact that this receiving corp doesn't especially need either Randy Moss or Vincent Jackson to win games. Hasn't anyone noticed that Brandon Tate has emerged as a legit receiving threat, Hernandez is a big athletic receiver with incredible hands, we have Edelman healthy and literally walking the sidelines, Welker is rounding into form and Taylor Price cant even make it onto the active roster with all the weapons in front of him. We won the SB with Troy Brown, Deon Branch and David Givens. We could do all that with Tate, Welker and Edelman, too.

Especially if Moss wants out, then we want him out.

We gave up a 4th round pick in a crummy draft class for Moss. I'd love a 2nd, but a 3rd is an upgrade for a player that's been hugely productive for us, after three years of depreciation. Economists say, "buy low, sell high". Here's a lesson in creating value.

 

[BradysBunch12]

Tanguay knows nothing about sports and looks like a lap dummy.

 

[fthft]

Re: Mixed Feelings on Moss

Makes me sad. Randy was always my favorite non-Patriot before we traded for him and I loved him here, but I suppose all good things must come to an end. Atleast we don't have to worry about the "Moss emotion watch" after a sub-par game anymore.

Best of luck to you Randy, outside of week 8 of course.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

Your age is showing. Yes it did in 2001. Milloy was THE leader on defense and the guy making the calls in XXXVI. Vrabel was the new JAG on the block, Bruschi was just coming into his own, Willie was still working his way into a FT position and TJ was wasn't an every down back. Problem with him was once he got that ring he was content to coast on the field and talk a lot about getting your credit (vs. the scheme) off it. Bill tried to wake his ass up by requesting he take a pay cut commensurate with his 2002 play, and Milloy scoffed at the proposition. It did wake him up measurably for a time, but absent the system he wasn't worth the money. He admitted around the time he went to Atlanta that in retrospect he had maturity issues at the time.

If it is in fact true that Moss had his agent request a trade after his week 1 post game performance that led to that sitdown with Bill, and if the reports that he had words with Bill again today after playing the good soldier in public last evening, then Randy simply doesn't belong here where we win rings because unselfish players do what is best for the team. Talent is seductive, but at the end of the day it's mental toughness and physical toughness and will to win that seperates the winners from the talents... Randy wants his money. I get that, not that he hasn't already collected a boatload of cash in his 13 year career. But if the $$$ matters to him more than the chance to compete to win a ring here, it's time to end the experiment - which is all this ever was... He never said he came here to win a ring. He came here to resurrect his career and in that respect he succeeded. This week he launched a new marketing venture, some sort of fantasy football website. Tough concept to launch when you were targeted once and had no catches on MNF.

Vince was at Gillette today, lots of players were, he was on with Dale and Holley in studio at the stadium. They were asking him about his role and if it's hard for him to deal with not compiling stats sometimes. Apparently he was overheard on some game sounds tape after the Buffalo game lamenting to a teamate he only had half a tackle. He said he's competitive and he wants to get sacks and tackles for losses, but he wants the team to win more. And when it gets to him he just looks at the sign in the locker room that reminds players what wins. Mental toughness. Doing what is right for the team even when everything isn't going right for you.

We're a quarter of the way through the season. What's Moss on pace for statistically... For $9M per you have to do more than draw coverage, you have to beat it pretty consistently. You can survive Moss not producing as long as he's contributing. However, if he is threatening to derail everything you've fought to instill in this young team over the last two seasons, you do whatever it takes to insure he doesn't get the chance to.

Some very good points here.

 

[Seenin]

If this trade happens, you soon will realize that the Randy Moss you get now is not the Randy Moss you had earlier. He will alternately thrill and frustrate you. He's more mature but still high maintenance, and certainly will not sacrifice his body to catch balls. Don't expect him to carry the load. His value now is just as much for decoy purposes as for scoring touchdowns.

But dont forget its been Moss's dream to team up with Favre. And vice versa. Even though Favre's old you cant honestly say he can't play with the best. Favre could beat up all of our dads! If this deal goes through Moss will be motivated once again with the Vikes (Best Moss fanbase), and if Rice returns back to form thats just a deadly combination that Minny has. Then Harvin just runs rampit all over the place. Moss/Rice eats up Ocho/Owens! BB should should make his cat scans public information so maybe the public can have a little better insight onto how he thinks.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Schefter was wrong about the Mankins thing earlier in the year, just throwing that out there..

I dont think whether or not Moss and BB met today has anything to do with the deal

They were on the same plane home that got into Gillette at 5AM, so they certainly saw each other... Whether they had words or perhaps BB and Randy's agent had words, who knows. Could be some agent shenanigans afoot - perhaps Bill got a call from Minnesota and someone knew something he shouldn't like that Randy had asked for a trade... Favre has a lot of leverage with Zigi, probably more than Chilly at this juncture, and maybe he's threatening to re retire if he doesn't get an available Moss for the second time on the back nine of his career...

Bottom line is if there was nothing to this the team would have come out in force and killed it several hours ago. For whatever reason they are either looking to trade him or at least listening to offers - and I don't think anyone expects after going that far with that player you could have any expectation of not pulling the trigger.

 

[Hardboiled]

No, it doesn't make any sense unless we have someone to replace him with. I don't see any receiver currently on our roster with Randy's skills. I also don't see Vincent Jackson coming over to New England... much less learning the offense and being able to make an impact in enough time to give defenses like the Ravens, Jets, and Steelers fits. This really would be a horrible trade for us.

I also don't see VJ coming here. But that must mean the plan is not to replace Moss.

 

[Wolfpack]

Your age is showing. Yes it did in 2001. Milloy was THE leader on defense and the guy making the calls in XXXVI. Vrabel was the new JAG on the block, Bruschi was just coming into his own, Willie was still working his way into a FT position and TJ was wasn't an every down back. Problem with him was once he got that ring he was content to coast on the field and talk a lot about getting your credit (vs. the scheme) off it. Bill tried to wake his ass up by requesting he take a pay cut commensurate with his 2002 play, and Milloy scoffed at the proposition.

I think you're misremembering. By all reports, Milloy was open minded to the idea of a pay cut and he and the Patriots were negotiating in good faith towards a new contract during training camp 2003. It was only after the Redskins stepped in with a better offer (what's a little illegal tampering between friends?) that Milloy suddenly and abruptly took a hard line stance with the Patriots, saying he would not take a pay cut.

That's why they cut him loose at such a late point in time. Then once Milloy was a UFA, he ended up with Buffalo and not Washington.

 

[MoVaughn4Prez]

The Bengals got a 3rd round compensatory pick for not resigning TJ Houshmandzadeh this year. The Patriots would get a 3rd round compensatory pick at the end of the year if they didn't resign Randy Moss. So why in the world would they trade him now for a 3rd round pick? If Patriots actually wanted to get Vincent Jackson for a 2nd and 3rd round pick, they would just do it now regardless of a Moss trade. Why wouldn't they want Moss and VJ for the year? They would get a 3rd when Moss doesn't resign anyway, so the reported compensation just makes no sense.

 

[patsox23]

Re: Mixed Feelings on Moss

Bledsoe. Milloy. Seymour. Benching Terry Glenn.

I don't like it, but I trust BB on stuff like this. I'd rather keep Moss, and if all we get is a 3rd round pick, I'll be bummed -- still, it is what it is, and we move forward. We ALWAYS feel crappy when this happens. It usually works out okay.

 

[Patspsycho]

Both Schefter and Rappaport have independently confirmed via tweeter that Moss did not talk to BB today.

 

[Kontradiction]

Your age is showing. Yes it did in 2001. Milloy was THE leader on defense and the guy making the calls in XXXVI. Vrabel was the new JAG on the block, Bruschi was just coming into his own, Willie was still working his way into a FT position and TJ was wasn't an every down back. Problem with him was once he got that ring he was content to coast on the field and talk a lot about getting your credit (vs. the scheme) off it. Bill tried to wake his ass up by requesting he take a pay cut commensurate with his 2002 play, and Milloy scoffed at the proposition. It did wake him up measurably for a time, but absent the system he wasn't worth the money. He admitted around the time he went to Atlanta that in retrospect he had maturity issues at the time.

If it is in fact true that Moss had his agent request a trade after his week 1 post game performance that led to that sitdown with Bill, and if the reports that he had words with Bill again today after playing the good soldier in public last evening, then Randy simply doesn't belong here where we win rings because unselfish players do what is best for the team. Talent is seductive, but at the end of the day it's mental toughness and physical toughness and will to win that seperates the winners from the talents... Randy wants his money. I get that, not that he hasn't already collected a boatload of cash in his 13 year career. But if the $$$ matters to him more than the chance to compete to win a ring here, it's time to end the experiment - which is all this ever was... He never said he came here to win a ring. He came here to resurrect his career and in that respect he succeeded. This week he launched a new marketing venture, some sort of fantasy football website. Tough concept to launch when you were targeted once and had no catches on MNF.

Vince was at Gillette today, lots of players were, he was on with Dale and Holley in studio at the stadium. They were asking him about his role and if it's hard for him to deal with not compiling stats sometimes. Apparently he was overheard on some game sounds tape after the Buffalo game lamenting to a teamate he only had half a tackle. He said he's competitive and he wants to get sacks and tackles for losses, but he wants the team to win more. And when it gets to him he just looks at the sign in the locker room that reminds players what wins. Mental toughness. Doing what is right for the team even when everything isn't going right for you.

We're a quarter of the way through the season. What's Moss on pace for statistically... For $9M per you have to do more than draw coverage, you have to beat it pretty consistently. You can survive Moss not producing as long as he's contributing. However, if he is threatening to derail everything you've fought to instill in this young team over the last two seasons, you do whatever it takes to insure he doesn't get the chance to.

Your preconceived feelings regarding Moss are showing, Mo. In 2001, Milloy was very important to the defense. I'm not even going to try to argue that. But that wasn't so going into 2003. The defense then had someone to come in and replace him at a competent level, Rodney Harrison, Bruschi and Vrabel coming into their primes, and a mauler of a defensive line. They had the best front seven in football. In 2003, the defense wasn't going to run through Milloy's play.

That's not so with Randy Moss and the offense. He's a premier deep threat in the league who makes the other parts in our passing game work that much better because he demands double teams. He's ALWAYS showed up for TC and practice when he could have pulled a Brett Favre and he's never thrown a temper tantrum on field. On top of that, he's been a leader in the locker room. With a defense like the one we have (one where we're going to definitely experience growing pains, and one that we can't count on just yet), we're going to need the best offense we can get. You don't have the best offense by trading away your best WR for a third rounder.

 

[Patspsycho]

I'm going to keep posting this until the end of time

I don't understand. this is ONE DAY after BB finally inspired the team that they can do it, that no one should count them out. The team was finally rallied and set to go on to great things later in the season.

How could he give up on them after that? How could he say that the doubters were right all along and this team has no chance to contend? He JUST convinced them that the media was full of crap. Now he changes his mind?

This makes NO sense.

The Moss camp asked for a trade after week one. Now is the time to do it because we don't play for two weeks.