Sirius Radio says Bodden still in Houston, could sign a deal later today

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Butler was a rook last year. Little too rugged on the kid. No?

Every rookie CB gets torched his 1st year. The key is the 2nd.

Butler has practiced,talked to on many occasions,and has watched tons of film on his mentor and idol Deion Sanders.

If Butler can be 40% of what Sanders brought to the CB position,Butler will be an all-pro

Here was a great little article about Butler coming out of school and his sudden relationship with Sanders....
http://views.washingtonpost.com/theleague/predraft/2009/03/darius-butler-ready-for-prime-time.html

 

[paradox]

I saw Butler make outstanding plays on deep pass routes 1v1. Technically he did every thing right. You go deep on Wilhite and its 6 points.

 

[muzz]

If Wilhite or Wheatley are the starting CB opposite Butler the ground crew better add a third digit to the opponent's scoreboard. :bricks:

Cha- Ching!!

We have a winner!! :rocker:

 

[patsinthesnow]

Butler was a rook last year. Little too rugged on the kid. No?

Every rookie CB gets torched his 1st year. The key is the 2nd.

I don't recall Butler even getting torched, I may have mistaken. The last week of the season when he started for Bodden, Andre Johnson went 6 rec 65 yards 0 TD. I remember a bomb to Johnson where Butler was beat a good 3-5 yards, caught up with him and deflected the pass. I'd consider him close to Bodden right now.

 

[emoney_33]

If you think Butler was better than Wilhite, you have no idea how to evaluate cornerback play. Wilhite got significantly more playing time than Butler because right now, hes a significantly better player.

All the peripheral numbers on PFF look pretty bad for Wilhite and respectable for Butler.

Wilhite's struggles remind me of Samuel's early struggles in that he's usually with the receiver but struggles to find the ball in the air. Wilhite could surely make the jump this season but there's no data available to us to make me very confident in that.

 

[Deus Irae]

I don't get the level of hostility towards Wilhite. I don't think he's shown the ability to be a starter in the league to this point, but it's not as if the guy hasn't demonstrated that he can be a nickel or dime player already. He's clearly talented enough to at least match up against an opponent's #3 and #4 receivers.

 

[JackBauer]

All the peripheral numbers on PFF look pretty bad for Wilhite and respectable for Butler.

Wilhite's struggles remind me of Samuel's early struggles in that he's usually with the receiver but struggles to find the ball in the air. Wilhite could surely make the jump this season but there's no data available to us to make me very confident in that.

Well, I wouldn't really lend a lot of weight to PFF's numbers, either, since their CB rankings are wonky as hell.

That said, the key issue of improving the pass rush remains. If you wonder why a team like the Colts can rely on somebody like Jacob Lacey, it's because they have an elite rush.

Apparently the Patriots are not one of the teams expressing interest in Lito Sheppard (thank god), FWIW.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I wish I had some additional insight into Wheatley. I wonder if the kid, from a confidence standpoint it damaged goods. He looked good vs Indy in 08 and this year was MIA...

 

[Synovia]

I don't recall Butler even getting torched, I may have mistaken. The last week of the season when he started for Bodden, Andre Johnson went 6 rec 65 yards 0 TD. I remember a bomb to Johnson where Butler was beat a good 3-5 yards, caught up with him and deflected the pass. I'd consider him close to Bodden right now.

You are mistaken. He was targeted pretty often.


If he was anywhere near Bodden, he would have been playing 80+% of the snaps at the end of the season.

 

[BelichickFan]

I wish I had some additional insight into Wheatley. I wonder if the kid, from a confidence standpoint it damaged goods. He looked good vs Indy in 08 and this year was MIA...

He got through the Atlanta game last year, also, without killing us when Wilhite was unexpectedly unavailable. The disappearance of Wheatley is, indeed, weird.

 

[emoney_33]

Well, I wouldn't really lend a lot of weight to PFF's numbers, either, since their CB rankings are wonky as hell.

I ignore their rankings, I only use that site for the peripheral numbers which seem more reliable although I'm not saying they are definitely accurate.

 

[paradox]

You are mistaken. He was targeted pretty often.


If he was anywhere near Bodden, he would have been playing 80+% of the snaps at the end of the season.

They targeted Bulter? It didn't work out too well because he did great.

 

[JackBauer]

You are mistaken. He was targeted pretty often.

I seem to remember him getting picked on in the Miami game. And then in the 2nd half he came out and deflected like 5 passes in a row.

Not sure if that's exactly correct, but something similar.

 

[muzz]

Wilhite will absolutely step on the field and could be the #2 CB or, at worst, the #3.

I really don't get all this venom for Wilhite. I don't know how you can say that about Wheatley, either, since none of us know what his situation is.

Wilhiite shouldn't be anything but a nickle, CONSTANTLY getting burnt, this wasn't once in awhile.
Buckwheat either has serious injuries, or is just too stupid to be trusted, either way he's a wasted pick, and at best is USELESS.

I'd be happy if neither ever saw the field in a Pats uniform again, AAMOF I'd offer to drive them to the airport on their way out of town.

 

[lostjumper]

ya i think i could live a pretty good life for 900k a year. lol some footballs players say they can't feed there kids for 5 million a year.

And some NBA players can't feed their kids on 12 million per year(Sprewell) :bricks:

 

[Synovia]

All the peripheral numbers on PFF look pretty bad for Wilhite and respectable for Butler.

Any study of Cornerbacks or coverage in general that only uses TV footage is so flawed as to be worse than useless.

 

[Synovia]

They targeted Bulter? It didn't work out too well because he did great.

If he was great, they woudn't have continued to throw on him, and Bellichick would have made him more than the nickle back.

 

[DW Toys]

Re: Sirius Radio says Bodden still in Houston,could sign a deal later today

Oh, yippie, another forum for DW Toys' perpetual jihad against Maroney and Sanders!



Matt Light will not be traded and is currently the putative starter at LT. I'm not sure why you would have any confidence whatsoever in an OT rotation of Vollmer, Kaczur, and LeVoir, but there you have it.

Light-Mankins-Koppen-Neal-Vollmer is by far and away the strongest OL permutation.



Why on earth would you trade a guy when you don't even know how good he is?



I know you hate Maroney so I'm not going to argue with you on this. Personally, I think the best solution would be to draft a Dwyer-type to pair with Maroney and keep Taylor for another season. If Maroney does OK again, re-sign him for relatively cheap next year.



We should have four safeties, because we don't know how Chung is going to progress and, in case you hadn't noticed, McGowan didn't exactly acquit himself well over the second half of last season.



I would consider the 2nd round tender if Bodden signs elsewhere.

OK Fair enough. I appreciate your reply and some I might agree with (your RB idea). I like Light. I just think he might be Twi-Light. At 33 he might be ripe for a move and his salary is high. It looks like no CAP hits either if that comes back. One of my favorite Pats players.

Kaczur just signed a contract not to be a reserve right?

You don't think there is any was to pry the disgruntled Rogers and veteran Moss from the Skins? Wouldn't Moss be a better alternative than Patten or Reed at least?
DW Toys

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

He got through the Atlanta game last year, also, without killing us when Wilhite was unexpectedly unavailable. The disappearance of Wheatley is, indeed, weird.

We got players like Wheately whose whereabouts are unknown and we have guys like Shawn Crable who can't get on the field with his made of glass body.

We HAVE to do better with draft picks than these guys

 

[JackBauer]

Wilhiite shouldn't be anything but a nickle, CONSTANTLY getting burnt, this wasn't once in awhile.
Buckwheat either has serious injuries, or is just too stupid to be trusted, either way he's a wasted pick, and at best is USELESS.

I'd be happy if neither ever saw the field in a Pats uniform again, AAMOF I'd offer to drive them to the airport on their way out of town.

I guess we can all take solace in the fact that you're not in a position of any responsibility within the Patriot's organization.

Maroney is, at best, useless? Wow. Somebody better alert BB than a PatsFans.com messageboard poster has such a low assessment of his starting RB.