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The first part of your post is utterly ridiculous. The latter is speculation; you have no clue if communication is a problem on the Pats right now.

The latter is NOT speculation if you know football, which obviously you don't.

I would explain how you can recognize a communication breakdown, but that would be too much for your stunted intelligence.

I am not even going to waste time addressing Peppers, he just won't be here next year or the year after that. Simple as that.
 
I like the Peppers idea, but at what cost?

DE Wooton, Northwestern, OLB's Kindle, TX and Muckleroy, TX; ILB's McClain, ALA (probably gone before Pat's 1st pick), Spikes, FL will be available through the draft. All are tough, smart, talented and have attitude.
 
Assuming 2010 is uncapped and Peppers isn't franchised, you'd be a fool to think the Pats won't go after Peppers. Like other big market teams, money will not be an issue with the Pats. If the Pats want other big name free agents, they will have to give up draft picks because they will be restricted. In the end, I think Peppers will sign with Dallas.
 
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Peppers won't fix all of problems but he would help it a great deal thatz for sure
 
Peppers is overrated, pass-rushing 3-4 OLB'ers are overrated in terms of blitzing and sacking.

Effective QB pressuring/sacking/blitzing comes from not knowing where it comes from. If you continually and predictably blitz from the 3-4 OLB position, teams will just scheme to neutralize that.

Most of our problems on defense has to do with the youngsters not being able to handle complex schemes or communicating effectively in terms of coverage handoffs.

I have some feelings about this post but not as strong as some other posters. I agree 3-4 pass rushing ends are a specialty and thus over rated if they are held in higher regard than an every down player.

However, Julius Peppers is not just a pass rusher. He is an excellent athlete quick enough to play in the NBA. He could easily be an everydown play as well as a pass rushing specialist.

Effective rushing in a 3-4 scheme does come from not knowing where the rush is. However, if there is a serious threat that opponents need to keep an extra man in to block it become much easier to rush from another area, improving the defense.

In terms of a lack of communication this comes with youth. Peppers is a veteran presence that could help communication. Veterans who can adapt is what Belichick needs to run the defense that won us 3 Super bowls.

Pairing Peppers with a good pass rusher/ athlete like Sapp or Jerry Hughes out of the draft would instantly make us better because we would have two pass rush olbs that are athletic enough to cover the flats.

I am all for Peppers.
 
The latter is NOT speculation if you know football, which obviously you don't.

I would explain how you can recognize a communication breakdown, but that would be too much for your stunted intelligence.

I am not even going to waste time addressing Peppers, he just won't be here next year or the year after that. Simple as that.
Heh, this sounds like the kind of answer I'd expect to hear from a ten-year-old. You might as well have said "well if you don't already know, then I'm not going to tell you."
 
I guess not many of you against the bring Peppers to the Patriots brigade haven't seen how he collapses the pocket and forces the opposing quarterback into bad throws without registering a sack or a tackle. We've nobody on the Patriots who can do that.

He's a beast. If we can afford him, we'd be stupid not to look at him. Like Seymour, the roll-over effect would be immense on the defense.
 
Assuming 2010 is uncapped and Peppers isn't franchised, you'd be a fool to think the Pats won't go after Peppers. Like other big market teams, money will not be an issue with the Pats. If the Pats want other big name free agents, they will have to give up draft picks because they will be restricted. In the end, I think Peppers will sign with Dallas.

If Dallas winds up with Peppers they could just drop 9 in coverage every down and apply pressure with him and Ware, them 2 would create more pressure then the pats rushing 4 lol...:singing:
 
Effective rushing in a 3-4 scheme does come from not knowing where the rush is. However, if there is a serious threat that opponents need to keep an extra man in to block it become much easier to rush from another area, improving the defense.

But that's true of any defense. Even in a 4-3, aytime you make the opposing O respect the fact that your LBs can blitz, you gain an advantage. It muddies their protection, and creates uncertainty.

With Peppers we'd be no less predictable than we already were with Tully. The exception is that - as was already pointed out - Peppers is an every down player and TBC is really a specialist more than anything.
 
Heh, this sounds like the kind of answer I'd expect to hear from a ten-year-old. You might as well have said "well if you don't already know, then I'm not going to tell you."

I said communication problems were prevalent and instead of asking me to clarify, you chose to take potshots, hence my response.
 
I said communication problems were prevalent and instead of asking me to clarify, you chose to take potshots, hence my response.

I said it was speculation on your part; and it is.
 
I said it was speculation on your part; and it is.

The only thing that tells me is that you have no idea how to diagnose how a defense breaks down. Do you?
 
The only thing that tells me is that you have no idea how to diagnose how a defense breaks down. Do you?

This is getting comical. I know enough to know that you cannot properly diagnose the problems of a defensive scheme based on a TV broadcast. Most of the time you cannot even see the secondary - cause on a pass they focus on the QB. So no, aside from a handful of plays, you'd have no clue if the Pats are having problems with coverage hand-offs - because on a TV broadcast you cannot even see the coverage, let alone identify it, or analyze if it is properly executed. In order to do this you'd either have to have the coaches tapes (you don't). Or you'd have to be present at every game (you weren't). Either way, you'd be making your assessment based off memory - and there are a 1000 defesive snaps to remember. So yeah, I'm pretty sure you have no clue as to what you are talking about. Either you are doing a poor job of bluffing. Or you seriously know so little that you aren't even aware of how little you know.

Again, you might as well have said, "Well, if you don't already know then I'm not going to tell you!"
 
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I don't care who they sign, just so much that they actually make an effort to get a real pass rusher.
 
This is getting comical. I know enough to know that you cannot properly diagnose the problems of a defensive scheme based on a TV broadcast. Most of the time you cannot even see the secondary - cause on a pass they focus on the QB. So no, aside from a handful of plays, you'd have no clue if the Pats are having problems with coverage hand-offs - because on a TV broadcast you cannot even see the coverage, let alone identify it, or analyze if it is properly executed. In order to do this you'd either have to have the coaches tapes (you don't). Or you'd have to be present at every game (you weren't). Either way, you'd be making your assessment based off memory - and there are a 1000 defesive snaps to remember. So yeah, I'm pretty sure you have no clue as to what you are talking about. Either you are doing a poor job of bluffing. Or you seriously know so little that you aren't even aware of how little you know.

Again, you might as well have said, "Well, if you don't already know then I'm not going to tell you!"


You're funny.

You want examples? Okay, let's look at the Saints game where we had our worst breakdowns, where the D had it's worse game of the year. Sometimes you need the all-22 to diagnose the breakdowns, other times, especially in the RZ you don't.

Two communication breakdowns come to mind that I spot right away, I don't remember the plays correctly so I am probably whiffing on some details here and there, but you get the general idea.

1) On one play Brees set up in 2x2 with TE fake motion and release into short post, our D was in zone under, man over, fake zone with intent to go man 2 coverage, and Wilhite checked into fake man press (LOS) with intent to strong-side blitz, but there was a communication breakdown because Brees sold a hard left slant to TE(forgot who?) which Meriweather gambled on and broke off hard right. However he did not realized that Wilhite had checked into blitz option and had already left the X slot leaving Meacham (?) (Henderson?) open. So Meacham or Henderson sails in for a really wide open TD. As the under FS, Meriweather is responsible for picking up Wilhite's coverage when he checks into blitz. That is a communication breakdown. Whose fault is it? Interestingly enough it does start with Mayo who as the mike is responsible for audibling third line packages.

2) On the TD that Bodden gave up in the left corner RZ. Payton called X/Y rub slant out (which you know always has a hitch option to guard) that Brees overthrew, but then to Payton's credit, he saw that Bodden and Sanders (?) lost their man on the rub (you are supposed to switch to beat the pick or rub). So what does he do but call the same play again. And of course Bodden and Sanders get mixed up and pick the hitch underneath and leave the back side open (forgot who caught it- might have been Colston?). Again I can't remember the play but I am pretty sure it was a rub with over/under out options (or hi-low drag?).

Now come to think of it, that game was beautiful if you were a saints fan, their ability to rush 3 drop 8 and still get to Brady allowed them the backfield personnel they needed to close zones cut bubbles, smokes, and still have enough LB to sit low on cross routes to whack Welker (who was always in bracket coverage) and take away his YAC and still kill the deep play.

It was a perfect game for them, physically, execution-wise, and game planning. I know Williams has a copy of this game in his library because BB has been eating his lunch up until that point. Perfect revenge if you ask me. For that reason alone, I am rooting for the Saints to go all the way. They deserve it.
 
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You're funny.

You want examples? Okay, let's look at the Saints game where we had our worst breakdowns, where the D had it's worse game of the year. Sometimes you need the all-22 to diagnose the breakdowns, other times, especially in the RZ you don't.

Two communication breakdowns come to mind that I spot right away, I don't remember the plays correctly so I am probably whiffing on some details here and there, but you get the general idea.

1) On one play Brees set up in 2x2 with TE fake motion and release into short post, our D was in zone under, man over, fake zone with intent to go man 2 coverage, and Wilhite checked into fake man press (LOS) with intent to strong-side blitz, but there was a communication breakdown because Brees sold a hard left slant to TE(forgot who?) which Meriweather gambled on and broke off hard right. However he did not realized that Wilhite had checked into blitz option and had already left the X slot leaving Meacham (?) (Henderson?) open. So Meacham or Henderson sails in for a really wide open TD. As the under SS, Meriweather is responsible for picking up Wilhite's coverage when he checks into blitz. That is a communication breakdown. Whose fault is it? Interestingly enough it does start with Mayo who as the mike is responsible for audibling third line packages.

2) On the TD that Bodden gave up in the left corner RZ. Payton called X/Y rub slant out (which you know always has a hitch option to guard) that Brees overthrew, but then to Payton's credit, he saw that Bodden and Sanders (?) lost their man on the rub (you are supposed to switch to beat the pick or rub). So what does he do but call the same play again. And of course Bodden and Sanders get mixed up and pick the hitch underneath and leave the back side open (forgot who caught it- might have been Colston?)

Now come to think of it, that game was beautiful if you were a saints fan, their ability to rush 3 drop 8 and still get to Brady allowed them the backfield personnel they needed to close zones cut bubbles, smokes, and still have enough to sit low on cross routes to whack Welker (bracket) and take away his YAC and still kill the deep play.

It was a perfect game for them, physically, execution-wise, and game planning. I know Williams has a copy of this game in his library because BB has been eating his lunch up until that point. Perfect revenge if you ask me. For that reason alone, I am rooting for the Saints to go all the way. They deserve it.

Outstanding breakdown of the problems on defense that night. Great post.
 
I must add that I don't have DVR and don't have this game recorded, so I stand corrected if someone does and can show that I am in error.
 
I must add that I don't have DVR and don't have this game recorded, so I stand corrected if someone does and can show that I am in error.

You addressed the communication errors in the previous post, but you did not address how that makes signing Peppers a bad idea. Please read my post on the previous page where I try to explain why he would help the defense, I'd like to know what you think.
 
I don't know if the Pats will target Peppers or not, but cap or no cap I expect the Pats to be aggressive in free agency especially to get a pass rusher.

Also, if there is no cap, don't be surprised if the Pats go after a big name RFA. There are a lot of players that probably would be franchised if there is a cap that will now be a RFA and get the highest RFA tender instead (changing the compensation from two firsts to a first and third is huge) including Elvis Dummerville, DeMeco Ryans, Vincent Jackson, Brandon Marshall, Kirk Morrison, Barrett Ruud, Shawne Merriman (I expect the Chargers to put a second round tender on him to entice someone to sign him away because they are heading to divorce from Merriman no matter what), Antoine Bethea, etc. Not sure which one the Pats would target, but I wouldn't be surprised that if Belichick thinks one of the RFAs are elite talent that he gives up a first and third for them especially sitting on 3 second rounders this year and two firsts next year. Belichick could easily get back into the first round if he wanted to even after giving up two high picks.
 
Jonathan, who draws the short straw, was on with Felger yesterday and he reiterated their position (careful) on big deals and CBA uncertainty. Although he also said that there was a willingness to get the right deals done but the sides simply couldn't agree on what the right deal was.

However, he did also say he expects there to be a very interesting dynamic at play vis a vis restricted free agency, where there was little movement in the past... I also think some teams will be doing some dead cap housecleaning and we may see some opportunities like we used to see when teams were dumping higher priced veteran players to clear cap, only this time it will be some overcompensated sub elite or mid level players hitting the bricks while their team has a chance to rethink what they committed to and set themselves up better for the CBA to come returning a cap.

As for the Peppers of the world, he now says he would be fine remaining with Carolina, who won't retag him, and he's likely realizing it may not be possible for him to get the big deal might have commanded a few years ago in the present environment. Aside from Snyder, many of his potential suitors will be limited in FA and many more may be squeamish about committing big dollars in bonus or guarantees to any player on the eve of a potential lockout season.

Personally I don't want anyone here with motivational or performance consistency issues for the forseeable future. What is also in transition here is the leadership core, and until they re-establish a strong enough one no reclamation or high priced conversion projects need apply.
 
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