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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.That's the issue. They didn't get it done. 2/yr$10m for a DT who is good v run and can rush the passer is reasonable
Thought I heard that they wanted to do 3/12m and $5m guaranteed which is not bad but clearly less
Hard to argue with any of that. But just like Bill moved on with Chandler Jones, he will move on with some of those guys, whether we like it or not.
Collins has been a disappointment so far, i thought he would dominate a lot more than he has, and maybe thats on me and my expectations.
Of course. They did that w DMC and they upped their offer. They chose not to kick in another million to Hicks. I thought that was short sighted. With what happened to Easley and with Branch's age the had an opportunity to lock in a young DT who they liked for mid-tier dollarsI thought they made him a fair offer, they can't simply raise the bar each time another team ups the ante they have to set values and stay to them for the most part. There are exceptions but they are going to lose players when teams are willing to keep going higher.
I thought they had a phenomenal offseason, it will never be 100% but they started with under 5 million in cap space,got Long, Bennett, Hogan, who is looking like the steal of free agency, and have around 8 million left over to work with. They also had a great draft despite having their first stolen from them. They did as well as I could have hoped for.
Whatever one might think of Collins he is probably the only guy that can expect top money offer from elsewhere - so he will be the most difficult to keep. The Pats obviously realize this and they are looking ahead with signing guys like Mingo and McClellin - whatever we might think of them now - and also drafting Roberts that emerged as an intriguing versatile LB option.
Collins is the best player on the defense
he is doing anything but hurting his value
3-4 teams are going to be backing up the truck for both him and hightower and this defense will be severely compromised if either moves on
this ain't moneyball.......the team needs these 2 guys more than any other impending free agents
the problem with hightower is that he has difficulty staying healthy for any extended period of time
Even if BB wanted to keep JG as the GOAT's successor and was willing to overpay to keep him-there is NO chance JG goes along with it. Think about it-Brady will likely play thru 2019-do you seriously think JG is going to be willing to sit for 3 MORE years after this one? When he will have multiple opportunities to start elsewhere? no freaking way. Thats 6 years of his career. Doesnt matter how great a franchise or coach is, he isnt hanging around for 3 more years. Either Jacoby or someone not currently in the NFL will be the next starting qb.To take this idea one step further (or maybe a "leap" to some), if Belichick has any thoughts of trying to keep Garoppolo for an additional year or two where Brady may wrap up and pass the torch, that could certainly play into cap management just as well.
The idea sounds like a stretch, but franchise QBs don't fall out of the sky, particularly in our system, so if Belichick feels that it's in his best interests to overpay at the position of QB for a couple of years, it's something that could be worked out by keeping a few cap dollars in reserve.
I think the surprise player that Belichick leaves out would be Butler. PFF</stopped reading here>
Here is the thing about Collins. He is not usually the best player on defense. He has the most talent and can do the most things but he certainly wasn't the best player on defense week 5 and IMO has been the best defensive player in 1 game this year out of 5. He was dominate in game 3 but besides that he had 2 pretty good games and 2 no shows.
People are going to offer him Luke Kuechly money but Kuechly is very consistent on defense and is clearly the best player on that unit the majority of the time.
While Collins can make huge plays on occasion which is great he often is just a big name on the field much of the time. So when someone comes in and offers him 12M a year will he be worth it? Over paying to keep a player is not a good idea in most cases. At this point i look at the player he is and can only think "this is what he will be". He is plenty good but he is not going to be the best or 2nd or 3rd best LB in the NFL cause i don't think he will ever be consistent enough.
I would put his worth at 9M a year. How much should they over pay to keep him? IDK.
They tried. BB personally called him with an offer and the word was BB even briefly talked to him when he was cleaning out his locker right after the season. BB definitely wanted him. He chose to sign with the Bears.Shoulda kept Ayers (edit:Akiem Hicks) That was the screw up of the offseason.
BobDigital, respect. But I just can't agree with you on this one. You're comparing a player who plays on a defense that plays one way every week (and is likely on *cough* performance juice) to someone who is asked to play a different role on a weekly basis and sometimes on a drive-by-drive basis. The only thing Kuechly does better than Collins is cover in the passing game and that, in part, is because he does more holding than any other LB I've seen and they just don't get called. And trust me, I'm not just referencing games against NE.Here is the thing about Collins. He is not usually the best player on defense. He has the most talent and can do the most things but he certainly wasn't the best player on defense week 5 and IMO has been the best defensive player in 1 game this year out of 5. He was dominate in game 3 but besides that he had 2 pretty good games and 2 no shows.
People are going to offer him Luke Kuechly money but Kuechly is very consistent on defense and is clearly the best player on that unit the majority of the time.
While Collins can make huge plays on occasion which is great he often is just a big name on the field much of the time. So when someone comes in and offers him 12M a year will he be worth it? Over paying to keep a player is not a good idea in most cases. At this point i look at the player he is and can only think "this is what he will be". He is plenty good but he is not going to be the best or 2nd or 3rd best LB in the NFL cause i don't think he will ever be consistent enough.
I would put his worth at 9M a year. How much should they over pay to keep him? IDK.
BobDigital, respect. But I just can't agree with you on this one. You're comparing a player who plays on a defense that plays one way every week (and is likely on *cough* performance juice) to someone who is asked to play a different role on a weekly basis and sometimes on a drive-by-drive basis. The only thing Kuechly does better than Collins is cover in the passing game and that, in part, is because he does more holding than any other LB I've seen and they just don't get called. And trust me, I'm not just referencing games against NE.
I don't know all the factors you're considering, but I know what I've seen and can tell you the stat sheet does not always tell the story with that guy. He's a menace. And he's durable . . . at least to this point. I do agree that he was a no show in CLE, but I don't know the other game you're talking about. If it's BUF, well, the whole team didn't show up for that game. It was putrid in all phases. The D looks completely different when he's not in the game, and the same can be said for High. You don't let guys like them leave without a fight. Simple as that. If you let Collins walk out the door because he's not "dominant" as you say, then who replaces a guy like that?
I do respect your opinion. I just can't see it your way, though.
Never said Kuechly wasn't good or the best. I'm simply stating that Carolina's defense is not nearly the complexity that is NE's and Collins is asked to do more things. Keuchly's range of responsibility, at least to a layman like me, doesn't appear to be as vast. And Collins is still growing. I don't think we're close to seeing his ceiling yet.Kuechly is the best in the NFL. Collins may not even be the best on his own team.
Never said Kuechly wasn't good or the best. I'm simply stating that Carolina's defense is not nearly the complexity that is NE's and Collins is asked to do more things. Keuchly's range of responsibility, at least to a layman like me, doesn't appear to be as vast. And Collins is still growing. I don't think we're close to seeing his ceiling yet.