Patspsycho
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Don't worry, in a few years, all the Bills home games will be in Toronto. I just can't see the Bills staying in Buffalo for the long term. Not enough revenue.
The bills are not TOs home team. They have nothing to cheer for. There is a misconception out there that all NFL fans in Toronto are bills fans. Not really true. NFL is big out here, but you have pats fans, steeler fans, cowboys fans, etc. Who would you be cheering for if you were watching two NFC teams playing eachother?
As a follow-up, the Bills make more money than the following teams:
St Louis Rams
Cincinnati Bengals
Oakland Raiders
Detroit Lions
Jacksonville Jaguars
Indianapolis Colts
Arizona Cardinals
Atlanta Falcons
San Francisco 49ers
Minnesota Vikings
Then what are you going to do about the other 7 or 8 teams making less than the Bills?
The Bills do sell out every game.
They are not at the bottom in terms of revenue.
As a follow-up, the Bills make more money than the following teams:
St Louis Rams
Cincinnati Bengals
Oakland Raiders
Detroit Lions
Jacksonville Jaguars
Indianapolis Colts
Arizona Cardinals
Atlanta Falcons
San Francisco 49ers
Minnesota Vikings
The Bengals aren't up there. Many owners complain that Mike Brown is making money and cries poor mouth.
I'm sorry, they are eighth in revenue. I was wrong:
NFL Team Valuations - Forbes.com
But they are in a dying city and could move to make more. There are several other teams that will move too in the next 5-10 years like the Jags.
How is that possible? What is your source? I am not questioning you, just scratching my head here at some of the teams listed.
Papa and Millen are a really dull announcing duo...
Revenues change from year to year, they were even higher last year. They go up and down.
I'm a skeptic about a Buffalo move not because Buffalo is great shakes but because I doubt there's a city out there that could support them better.
LA, let's not get into that--it's a new franchise guaranteed.
Other franchises such as Jax will move before Buffalo. Buffalo also has huge support of the NY state politicians as the only NY team in the NFL. Goodell's Dad, of course, was a US Senator from Western New York, and I drive down Goodell Street on my way home from work everyday.
As for Buffalo, it has staunched the flow of people leaving finally, it's gentrifying, and in the last 5 years has seen $4.5 billion worth of building downtown. All the industrial manufacturing is gone. In its place, there's biotech and banking. When you couple the population of the county (1.2 million) with Rochester (1.1 million) and the immediate population on the other side of the Niagara (500k) you get a pretty big footprint of about 3 million.
And I doubt that the Bills can support them as the caps continue. The Bills already charge less than any other team in the league for tickets. Their highest ticket price is more than $30 less the Patriots' average ticket price and they don't have club seats and luxury box revenue like the Pats do (they have some, but not nearly as much). With the cap tied to revenue of the teams and teams like the Jets and Giants opening a new stadium that is going up.
I still think they are trying to build a fan base in Toronto because that is the logical move. They are a much larger city (the 5th largest city in North America). They are more affluent than the Buffalo area. They are close to Buffalo and can keep a large portion of the Buffalo fan base with many of the people who go to the games still being able to go to Toronto. Toronto has 2.5 million people alone and that doesn't even account for surrounding cities. And they will keep much of the current fan base if not most of them.
If the NFL goes international with teams, Toronto will get a team. The Bills are the most likely candidate since Buffalo is only about 100 miles away from Toronto.