The LAST Maroney thread: haters repent

[RhodyPatriot]

22 carries, 77 yards, 3.5 avg. 2 tds, 1 fumble.

I call that a 7 out of 10, not even close to a "helluva" game.

Sadly for Larry that is a helluva game. Hopefully this is his last season taking up a key roster spot with the Patriots.
(PS - hey Larry, drop the celebrations every single time you run for more than 4 yds. It's an indication of your lack of maturity)

 

[PatsFanInVa]

The one thing I think I can predict with absolute, dead-on certainty, is that this thread was named in a fit of wild optimism.

 

[patsox23]

22 carries, 77 yards, 3.5 avg. 2 tds, 1 fumble.

I call that a 7 out of 10, not even close to a "helluva" game.

Then you clearly looked at the stat-sheet instead of the game. He ran, with little room, extremely hard today, tough, gutty yards - and BIG yards, too. Not sure what you were seeing but it obviously was pretty different from what I saw.

 

[Mogamedogz]

I just can't understand why so many people hang on to the dream (and that's exactly what it is) that Maroney will somehow turn into even an above average NFL RB. He is what he is... "teh suck".

3.5ypc on a team that features Tom Brady/Randy Moss/Wes Welker is border line pathetic. Teams don't respect our run game when Tenderoney is back there. The safety almost never drops down between the 20's. There are back up RB's on other teams in the league that would kill for a chance to run the ball in this offense (and Id love to have them).

33 year old Kevin Faulk is getting a full ypc more.

 

[Mogamedogz]

Then you clearly looked at the stat-sheet instead of the game. He ran, with little room, extremely hard today, tough, gutty yards - and BIG yards, too. Not sure what you were seeing but it obviously was pretty different from what I saw.

He almost always has "little room" because his vision sucks. He doesn't hit the hole quick enough and it closes before he tries to get through it. That's why he's always running into the backs of the Olineman.

 

[JoeShmoe]

I just can't understand why so many people hang on to the dream (and that's exactly what it is) that Maroney will somehow turn into even an above average NFL RB. He is what he is... "teh suck".

3.5ypc on a team that features Tom Brady/Randy Moss/Wes Welker is border line pathetic. Teams don't respect our run game when Tenderoney is back there. The safety almost never drops down between the 20's. There are back up RB's on other teams in the league that would kill for a chance to run the ball in this offense (and Id love to have them).

33 year old Kevin Faulk is getting a full ypc more.

:yeahthat:

 

[mcsully]

I just can't understand why so many people hang on to the dream (and that's exactly what it is) that Maroney will somehow turn into even an above average NFL RB. He is what he is... "teh suck".

3.5ypc on a team that features Tom Brady/Randy Moss/Wes Welker is border line pathetic. Teams don't respect our run game when Tenderoney is back there. The safety almost never drops down between the 20's. There are back up RB's on other teams in the league that would kill for a chance to run the ball in this offense (and Id love to have them).

33 year old Kevin Faulk is getting a full ypc more.

I've been saying this for over a year.. And I couldn't have said it better (again)..

U R 1000 times correct my friend..

If I could buy you a beer, I would..

 

[satz]

Another bizzare thread , we just do not try to commit to run so the outcome is not consistent. The jags ran drew for 25 times for 66 yds . no matter what they commit certain plays to run. we would never do that. We never let any RB develop as we will bench them for 3-4 games or give like 4-6 carries .

you will not even get the OL blocking good in such scenarios. the weird thing is every time maroney has gotten 15 carries he has settleddown and same goes for the OL and they get better.
as we shuffle our line we see maroney getting better with carries as he sees who is getting the push.

maroney is sure going to be similar to cederic benson , go somewhere where hs is asked to carry 15-20 carries every week and going to develop alot more .

 

[Rob0729]

Christopher Gasper said it best on the radio today, the only real problem with Maroney is that people look at him as a first round pick and have lofty expectations. Maroney is have a pretty good year, not a franchise RB year, but pretty good. It is people's expectations of the guy that is hurting him.

People think BJGE is better although he has never shown any signs of it just because he is an undrafted free agent who overachieved in a couple of games and in the preseason. It is all a perception thing.

Yes, Maroney fumbled the ball yesterday, but otherwise he was solid against a very good run defense. He ran hard and he made plays where the o-line were blown off the ball and he was hit in the backfield into positive yards.

No, Maroney hasn't turned in Stephen Jackson like people expected him to be, but he has played fairly well this year except for two fumbles.

 

[Rob0729]

I just can't understand why so many people hang on to the dream (and that's exactly what it is) that Maroney will somehow turn into even an above average NFL RB. He is what he is... "teh suck".

3.5ypc on a team that features Tom Brady/Randy Moss/Wes Welker is border line pathetic. Teams don't respect our run game when Tenderoney is back there. The safety almost never drops down between the 20's. There are back up RB's on other teams in the league that would kill for a chance to run the ball in this offense (and Id love to have them).

33 year old Kevin Faulk is getting a full ypc more.

Faulk wouldn't be doing nearly as well running the ball if he was in the I formation when he ran. Most of Faulk's runs are RB draws out of shotgun when the opposing defense is playing pass. Faulk is very good at running out of that formation and I wouldn't move him, but that is like comparing Welker to Moss and what they bring to the team. Two different roles.

That would be like someone saying Moss is better than Welker because Moss got 50 yards on a skinny post and Welker only got 15 yards on a bubble screen.

 

[BradysBunch12]

It pisses me off that they give Maroney TDs he doesn't deserve in the red zone. Welker deserved a TD the way he played.

 

[Lurks_All_Day]

lets hear it, its now time, the excuses have ran out

give this man an extension

Yes, well, he did have a pretty good game.
But an exTENsion? Isn't that how he got tackled on the fourth down run? Thought they got a hand on his hair.....

 

[Rob0729]

It pisses me off that they give Maroney TDs he doesn't deserve in the red zone. Welker deserved a TD the way he played.

First, he deserved the second TD since his run set up the first and goal on the one.

Second, the Pats don't pick plays to award players TDs. They pick plays to win the game. Welker is happy to be a huge part of a win and not get a TD. The fact of the matter is Welker is not usually a consistent goalline target for Brady. He is more of an open field target.

 

[DaBruinz]

No, he hasn't.

And he hits the hole/line with authority 1 out of 2-3 times. Most of the time, he runs into the line upright without his body leaning for yardage. He needs to learn how to get 4-5 yds consistently, which is what this offense needs.

To whoever said his numbers are better: I would rather a guy get 4 yds consistently, and have 12 yds on 3 carries, than a guy who gets no gain, 2 yds, and then 10 yds on 3 carries. Same numbers on the face, but it was gained differently. Maroney sucks.

Are people really saying he has been our best RB? Give me Morris or Taylor anyday when they are healthy. Maroney is our best healthy RB RIGHT NOW, but that's not saying much.

I hope we draft a runner on the first day during the draft...

Ryan - Repeat after me. NO RB gets 4 - 5 yards consistently. None. Not Turner. Not Ryan Grant, Not Tomlinson. ALL RBs have what you described.

Morris has been injured more than Maroney has. Taylor is a HOF RB. But manyof Taylor's plays this year were run off of draws and delays. Were there some pounding? Yes.. but not as many as people would have us believe.

Maroney is a good, but not great RB. He's finally maturing (only 24). And he's got plenty of miles left on his treads. Can he get better? Sure. In fact, I am pretty sure he will. That he'll round out his game as a pass catcher.

What I fund funny is that many of the arguments I hear about Maroney being bad are the same ones I heard about Kevin Faulk. Except that people were also hammering Faulk because of his fumbles when he was younger. And many people had the same expectations of Faulk (a 2nd round pick) as they have of Maroney as a 1st round pick.

 

[DaBruinz]

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A lot of people around here like Law Firm...I'm not one of them.

I would take Morris over Maroney any day though. Maroney's running style just irritates me.

Maybe because you don't understand the style of RB that Maroney is. And since you don't understand the style, your expectations are out of whack..

That is one of the biggest things that I have found with people on this site. Many of the haters don't understand that Maroney was NEVER a power RB in the mold of Corey Dillon. Corey Dillon is considered a North/South Power Back. Maroney was considered a Cut-back runner who can run for power.

Yesterday, Maroney was clearly running with power. The way he bowled over Rhodes. He also broke several tackles. There were a couple of plays where he went no where because the O-line got pushed back on the right side.. But otherwise, he ran well.

 

[BradyFTW!]

I'm sorry

I avoided the Maroney hate bandwagon. He's our running back and I support him but when he fumbled in Indy I just couldn't help myself. It kills me to watch the offense work hard, get down to the goal line and hand it to a guy who didn't do anything all drive just to see him cough it up.

Player-Career Carries-Career Fumbles (Carries Per Fumble)
Sammy Morris- 645- 10- (64.5)
Fred Taylor- 2,473- 26- (95.1)
Kevin Faulk- 816- 20- (40.8)
Laurence Maroney- 504- 3- (168)

I'll grant that Faulk's number is unfairly high since it penalizes him for his early-career issues that he has since resolved, but on a per-carry basis Maroney fumbles WAY less than any of our other RBs. If that's what you're basing your argument on, then apparently you have the memory of a goldfish.

 

[DaBruinz]

Is that so?
Are you telling BB that he is WRONG?

It was pretty clear to me that Bill preferred Sammy over Lomo last year Before he got hurt. This is false. Game 1, they each had 10 carries. And there was only a 2 yard difference between what they did. Maroney got hurt in game 2. He and Morris had the same number of carries there also. 8 each.

It was pretty clear to me that Bill preferred Freddy over LoMo before he got hurt, and when Freddy went down Morris was back and got heavy touches. Guess you really haven't paid attention because this is false also. Maroney is the one who got the 1st couple of starts. Did Taylor get a lot of carries? Yes, but they were still rotating the backs. Also, Morris didn't get his first carry until week 2 against the Jets. Morris had ONE GAME, ONE GAME, where he got "heavy touches" and that was early against Denver. Other than that, Morris was getting fewer touches than Maroney. And lets not forget that BB called out the O-line to be more consistent in its run blocking for Maroney. He didn't do that for Morris and Taylor.

I think LoMo is the lead back because Bills "preferred" backs are injured.

He's OK, as long as he doesn't fumble like he has the past 2 weeks.....

Maroney has 3 fumbles in his regular season career and one in the post season. And you are complaining about that? Guess you forget how Kevin Faulk was.. Is it something that Maroney needs to work on? Yes. Ball security is a must for ALL RBs and Receivers.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I will say that my RB of preference is the north/south punishing runner like a Dillon or a Stephen Jackson, but I will not bash Maroney just to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

In LoMos last 6 games hes rushed 84 times with a 4.2 ypc ave and 6 TDs. He ran hard yesterday. That was great to see against a pretty tough run D.

In the past, durability has been a past issue with LoMo but based on the last 6 games that projects out over a 16 game season 224 carries and 1139 yds. Not earth-shattering, but represents a very functional, if not solid running game (especially with a pass-first offense.) and a RB who does know how to run the ball. He needs the reps..

Gotta give him some credit. He deserves it.

 

[Synovia]

Ryan - Repeat after me. NO RB gets 4 - 5 yards consistently. None. Not Turner. Not Ryan Grant, Not Tomlinson. ALL RBs have what you described.

Maroney actually gets 4-5 yards more often than most NFL RBs. What he doesn't get is a lot of long runs.

 

[DaBruinz]

NO, Cartoon man will go back to his dancing ways soon enough.

When he fumbles losing a playoff game then youll see.

Yes, because, in the past, Maroney has fumbled OH SO MUCH in the play-offs and, there fore, cost the Pats the games.

BTW, Maroney has 1 fumble on 92 carries in the play-offs.. And the Pats WON that game.