The LAST Maroney thread: haters repent

[Synovia]

33 year old Kevin Faulk is getting a full ypc more.

This is a clear indication that you have no idea what you're talking about. Kevin Faulk runs out of the Draw only. IE, he always runs against nickle, and theres always a big hole in front of him.

 

[Patspsycho]

I will say that my RB of preference is the north/south punishing runner like a Dillon or a Stephen Jackson.

I think variety works in our favor. We already have a north/south runner (Taylor/Morris/BJGE), a cutback RB (Maroney), a specialist (Faulk).

I really wish BB would use BJGE every now and then to mix it up until Morris and/or Taylor comes back. BJGE is a true north/south runner, and when you mix that up with a cutback, then that disrupts the timing of the run stop on the other side.

 

[DaBruinz]

He almost always has "little room" because his vision sucks. He doesn't hit the hole quick enough and it closes before he tries to get through it. That's why he's always running into the backs of the Olineman.

Yes, that is why Belichick called out the O-line before the bye week. Because it's Maroney's fault that the O-linemen are getting tossed around and the defenders were 2-3 yards into the backfield before Maroney got the ball. Maroney's "lack of vision" is why the O-line was getting pushed over to the side they were running on in terms of outside runs.

Sorry, but you are talking out your behind. While Maroney is to blame for some issues, a lack of vision and not hitting the hole quick enough aren't one of them. When he's run into the backs of his O-linemen, much of it has been because they were pushed into the hole he was going to..

 

[RobertWeathers]

I think variety works in our favor. We already have a north/south runner (Taylor/Morris/BJGE), a cutback RB (Maroney), a specialist (Faulk).

I really wish BB would use BJGE every now and then to mix it up until Morris and/or Taylor comes back. BJGE is a true north/south runner, and when you mix that up with a cutback, then that disrupts the timing of the run stop on the other side.

I don't disagree with that philosophy at all. Just my own personal preference in terms of having a RB that can get you a 3rd & Goal from the 2 or make a 3rd and 9 a 3rd and 5. The problem is that both have been off-n-on healthy for going on 2 1/2 years now and from a rotational standpoint, not been together very much.

 

[BradyFTW!]

No, he hasn't.

And he hits the hole/line with authority 1 out of 2-3 times. Most of the time, he runs into the line upright without his body leaning for yardage. He needs to learn how to get 4-5 yds consistently, which is what this offense needs.

To whoever said his numbers are better: I would rather a guy get 4 yds consistently, and have 12 yds on 3 carries, than a guy who gets no gain, 2 yds, and then 10 yds on 3 carries. Same numbers on the face, but it was gained differently. Maroney sucks.

Are people really saying he has been our best RB? Give me Morris or Taylor anyday when they are healthy. Maroney is our best healthy RB RIGHT NOW, but that's not saying much.

I hope we draft a runner on the first day during the draft...

Why is it that there's always some genius who drags this out in the debate, no matter how thoroughly it's proven to be false? Those numbers most definitely aren't the same on the face. Same YPC, sure, but there are many, many other ways to evaluate the numbers. In these other ways (such as success rate), Maroney has ranked near the top of the league when he's healthy. He's actually very good at what you say he can't do, and not great at what you say he's best at.

Just because YPC stretches the limit of your knowledge doesn't make whatever you say true. You're wrong, and the numbers outright spell it out for you, but because you and your type can't understand them, you write them off as meaningless. Well, I'd suggest that the problem is not with the numbers, but with your (in)ability to comprehend some pretty basic stuff...

 

[letekro]

This is a clear indication that you have no idea what you're talking about. Kevin Faulk runs out of the Draw only. IE, he always runs against nickle, and theres always a big hole in front of him.

Your attempts at reason are lost on the Haters.

 

[Afterlifemobile-86]

yes, hes also our best runningback...

has been since the time hes been here

Then why was Fred Taylor signed...

 

[Synovia]

Then why was Fred Taylor signed...

For exactly the situation we're in now; incase someone gets hurt.

Plus, depth is always a good thing.

 

[Deus Irae]

Then why was Fred Taylor signed...

So you didn't bother even pretending to think before you pushed the submit button on that post?

 

[Mogamedogz]

Kevin Faulk runs out of the Draw only.

That's just not true. Faulk has carried the ball out of running formations this season. obviously the bulk of his carries are draw plays, but to say he only runs draws is flat out false.

The bottom line is... a 33 year old Faluk see/hits/explodes through holes quicker than 24 year old Tenderoney.

And another thing... if Tender would have had his shoulder drilled into the ground yesterday by Bart Scott the way Kevin did... you can bet your bottom dollar that he would have missed the next four games.

 

[Rob0729]

That's just not true. Faulk has carried the ball out of running formations this season. obviously the bulk of his carries are draw plays, but to say he only runs draws is flat out false.

The bottom line is... a 33 year old Faluk see/hits/explodes through holes quicker than 24 year old Tenderoney.

And another thing... if Tender would have had his shoulder drilled into the ground yesterday by Bart Scott the way Kevin did... you can bet your bottom dollar that he would have missed the next four games.

What has Faulk lined up in the I once or twice this season? Sorry, I can't remember the last time Faulk ran the ball with Brady under center and Faulk lined up five yards behind him.

 

[Deus Irae]

That's just not true. Faulk has carried the ball out of running formations this season. obviously the bulk of his carries are draw plays, but to say he only runs draws is flat out false.

The bottom line is... a 33 year old Faluk see/hits/explodes through holes quicker than 24 year old Tenderoney.

And another thing... if Tender would have had his shoulder drilled into the ground yesterday by Bart Scott the way Kevin did... you can bet your bottom dollar that he would have missed the next four games.

As Belichick has made clear, Faulk does not generally run from the same formations, or face the same defenses, as the 'regular' running backs. The moment you bring him into the comparisons, you make yourself irrelevant to the discussion.

 

[DaBruinz]

Then why was Fred Taylor signed...

Why was Taylor signed? The same reason that Lamont Jordan was signed last year. Because Morris, Maroney and Faulk have had their share of injuries and the team was making sure they didn't have a repeat of 2005 and 2006. Having a veteran who has definitely been successful isn't a bad thing either.

 

[DaBruinz]

That's just not true. Faulk has carried the ball out of running formations this season. obviously the bulk of his carries are draw plays, but to say he only runs draws is flat out false.

The bottom line is... a 33 year old Faluk see/hits/explodes through holes quicker than 24 year old Tenderoney.

And another thing... if Tender would have had his shoulder drilled into the ground yesterday by Bart Scott the way Kevin did... you can bet your bottom dollar that he would have missed the next four games.

Bottom line is that you don't know wtf you are talking about. Faulk runs MOSTLY on draws. Probably 90-95% of his plays. Faulk doesn't hit the holes any faster than Maroney does. This is just a outright fabrication on your part.

Again, you ignore the fact that BB caled out the O-line for their grossly inconsistent run blocking with Maroney on the field. Do you honestly believe that BB would have done that if he felt that MARONEY was the primary problem? No. He wouldn't have.

BTW, Faulk's "explosiveness" resulted in 4 carries for 8 yards yesterday.. This is just ONE example of how numbers can be misleading..

Also, Faulk has not lined up in a formation that has had less than 3 WRs in it. So, that automatically puts the defense back on its heels expecting the pass.

Don't believe me? Go look at his splits on ESPN.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/splits?playerId=1798

 

[emoney_33]

Oh gee, look another thread where haters ignore facts, make things up and go way over the top in their "analysis". Awesome. Basically, what I gather from them is that Maroney runs for close to 1YPC, and BB is an absolute moron. Oh and dare you correct them or use facts, you are a blind homer.

 

[Mogamedogz]

We'll see how much Bill believes in Tenderoney after next season when he holds the door open for him to GTFO of Foxboro. And that's only if he can't get a decent draft pick for him in the off-season. The only reason he is putting it on the o-line, is that he wants to salvage the little value this kid might have left.

100% 1st round bust. He looks like Edgerin James, after got old.

 

[JFK]

I think BB put part of the blame on the O-Line because they are a group and Maroney is one. It's harder to pin-point who is at fault when you say the O-Line. If Maroney was good, why keep Morris and Taylor and Faulk and Law Firm? Maroney isn't good enough. We have a RB committee because of that not by choice. If NOT we would not have drafted him in the first round.

 

[Deus Irae]

We'll see how much Bill believes in Tenderoney after next season when he holds the door open for him to GTFO of Foxboro. And that's only if he can't get a decent draft pick for him in the off-season. The only reason he is putting it on the o-line, is that he wants to salvage the little value this kid might have left.

100% 1st round bust. He looks like Edgerin James, after got old.

Yeah, and maybe they'll do the same thing with Jackson and O'Connell. The moment their deals are up.





Oh, wait..........

 

[Xplicit]

I'd rather cut him in the offseason

 

[D-cleater]

Bottom line is that you don't know wtf you are talking about. Faulk runs MOSTLY on draws. Probably 90-95% of his plays. Faulk doesn't hit the holes any faster than Maroney does. This is just a outright fabrication on your part.

Again, you ignore the fact that BB caled out the O-line for their grossly inconsistent run blocking with Maroney on the field. Do you honestly believe that BB would have done that if he felt that MARONEY was the primary problem? No. He wouldn't have.

BTW, Faulk's "explosiveness" resulted in 4 carries for 8 yards yesterday.. This is just ONE example of how numbers can be misleading..

Also, Faulk has not lined up in a formation that has had less than 3 WRs in it. So, that automatically puts the defense back on its heels expecting the pass.

Don't believe me? Go look at his splits on ESPN.
Kevin Faulk Splits - New England Patriots - ESPN

Question, what is a draw play?