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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.T.O. just needs a quarterback that can get him the ball. Trent Edwards is clearly not that guy.
He's also not a great route runner. As a matter of fact, he was never a very good route runner. He can't beat press coverage either. His biggest, and only big asset is his strength, which is why he can get open through traffic, however, his lack of being a decent route runner prevents him from getting separation and getting open quickly. On the contrary, DeSean Jackson is THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE of Owens. Heck - Patrick Crayton runs much better routes(yeah, he has a big mouth, but he's an excellent route runner, especially against the blitz).
The only reason why he seemed so great in Philly was b/c McNabb can scramble around and buy time. And in Dallas - he was paired with the best TE in all of football(Jason Witten), and a bruising back(Barber).
I was talking about you primarily, but plenty of people in the media make excuses for TO. So do lots of GMs every time they sign him.
He's also not a great route runner. As a matter of fact, he was never a very good route runner. He can't beat press coverage either. His biggest, and only big asset is his strength, which is why he can get open through traffic, however, his lack of being a decent route runner prevents him from getting separation and getting open quickly. On the contrary, DeSean Jackson is THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE of Owens. Heck - Patrick Crayton runs much better routes(yeah, he has a big mouth, but he's an excellent route runner, especially against the blitz).
The only reason why he seemed so great in Philly was b/c McNabb can scramble around and buy time. And in Dallas - he was paired with the best TE in all of football(Jason Witten), and a bruising back(Barber).
TO played like a warrior in SB39. But I think he would have been able to achieve more in his career if he could have (Please be quiet - edited).
I never said his ego wasn't a problem. However, you originally claimed that his play WAS.
...you have apparently failed to understand.
1) When a football team loses a game, it's easy to point the loss at one person. However, even the most inept coach in the league will tell you that it's a team game and, when the team loses, every player at every position could have done something to have improved and helped their team win.
2) T.O.'s attitude and his megalomaniacal delusions of himself have always been the problem. Nobody will disagree there.
3) T.O.'s play on the field has never been the reason why he's played for as many teams as he's had for the simple fact that he's one of the best wide receivers of this generation.
You're speaking from personal opinion like the guy has slighted you somehow.
He's had some drops, but so has Randy Moss, and every other good receiver. No, T.O.'s problem, in my opinion, is his borderline mental illness. I don't say that with contempt, either, I think he has a problem and could benefit from professional help, but of course he's rich, famous, and an athlete, so he won't try to get it.
Spot on, Patjew. If TO had taken the accolades from that game and built on them to address his past failings, rather than shooting his way out of Philly, I suspect few would take issue with him and he would be labeled one of the greatest receivers to play the game now. The stats would outweigh the focus on drops.
The media loves to play up his personality flaws. If you do not believe that, watch the clips in Buffalo in which the press is trying to bait him to throw teammates under the bus. I will not say TO didn't bring that on from Philly and Dallas, but believe the media is looking to make a story with this guy, even when there isn't one. He is a football player, not Gandhi, so, unlike I suspect many other players in the NFL, he puts his true personality on air and fans don't like seeing that. Who he is off the field has nothing to do with his athletic ability on the field. The whole "cancer in the locker room" notion is garbage as a team that does not have issues does not suddenly unravel when one personality shows up.
When he is on, he is genuinely great. When he is off, he still creates problems for defenses in coverage because he still poses the threat of catching his stride. Would I take him over Moss at any point in his career? Not a chance. But that is comparing two likely HOF receivers, not good and bad receivers.
Specific to the article, is he done? I don't think so, but he is much older than Moss was when he came to the Pats so I suspect he is not going to be a 100 reception guy with another team at this point in his career. I also think, in claiming he is done, the writer overlooks Lee Evans, a good receiver in his own right, who presently has 16 receptions, one more than TO. That probably says something about the offense.
And for those dumping on the Buffalo fan base, those fans have been loyal supporters of a team that has not been to the playoffs in a decade. There are so called fans here throwing the team and its players out after an overtime loss to an undefeated team after an 11-5 season. The fans for this team booed the Pats during the game ending a record consecutive win streak. A few bad apples do not define the fan base, it is defined by loyalty to a team when wins become the exception rather than the norm. As Buffalo has been in that class for some time, I am not about to call those fans out as they have demonstrated loyalty to that team.
So you are saying that Buffalo fans aren't classy like you?
Actually I think it is pretty damned impressive to get to the superbowl four years in a row.
I know Buffalo fans that made a video when Brady tore MCL/ACL. Gutless haters..... and Brady jealousy. **** Buffalo
do not make them out to be "hero" fans. They are a joke of an organization that has failed numerous times in successive NFL Superbowls. They made it to the big stage and failed 4 times. "Ha-ha-Ha-ha"
-No points for second place.
I do not sympathize..... I ostracize that fanbase. They are a failure.
It's not personal, I just don't think the guy's a winner, or a disciplined football player, or a team player and would never want him on my team. You don't win Super Bowls with guys you can't rely on.
There are a lot of reasons why the Eagles didn't win the SB in 2004, but Terrell Owens sure as hell wasn't one of them. 9 receptions, 122 yards on a busted leg... if only we could have a few more guys were 'unreliable' like that.
Yeah, we get it, he's a distraction in the locker room. Nobody's denying it. But on the field, he's an all-time great talent. Doesn't mean I'd want him on the Pats, but that doesn't make it any less true.
Oh God, it lives.
He's not a clutch player. He doesn't play to win, he plays to get attention. Ergo, his play IS a problem.
Lulz. Disagree with != misunderstand. But OK.
Where did anybody blame TO exclusively for his team's losses in this thread? But he's been a part of a lot of teams' downward spirals, meaning he's more of a liability than an asset. I.e., a loser.
Yes.
Best low leverage stats whore WRs of his generation.
What a powerhouse argument. I rest my case.
There's really not much in here to support your claims regarding TO, only personal opinion strudel.Oh God, it lives.
He's not a clutch player. He doesn't play to win, he plays to get attention. Ergo, his play IS a problem.
Lulz. Disagree with != misunderstand. But OK.
Where did anybody blame TO exclusively for his team's losses in this thread? But he's been a part of a lot of teams' downward spirals, meaning he's more of a liability than an asset. I.e., a loser.
Yes.
Best low leverage stats whore WRs of his generation.