PFT: "Some are speculating Merriman to Pats"

[BionicPatriot]

That and the Chargers suck

I understand Merriman is the one move that actually CAN happen, but lets think about it here.

Do the Chargers really suck that bad that they're bringing Merriman down, or is Merriman's ineffectiveness killing the Chargers D? It seems ever since his knee injury, that defense has sucked. To me that sounds like they're counting on a pass rusher that just isn't getting it done.

I love the talent he has, but I don't trust that he'd be worth what we would give up for him.

 

[Synovia]

he's got 13 total tackles this year, through 6 games. This is a what have you done for me lately league, and BB is pretty much the king of that philosophy - if the price for merriman is miniscule (and i can't imagine it would be) then should i would bring him in, but given his recent play and recent injury history, spending a 2nd round pick on him, especially considering how good this upcoming draft is supposed to be in terms of the amount of quality players that will be available, would be insane

I agree that hes not a smart buy, in that hes a free agent next year, and hes going to want big money. He's too risky.

But the idea that he wasn't good is absolute lunacy.

 

[BionicPatriot]

he's got 13 total tackles this year, through 6 games. This is a what have you done for me lately league, and BB is pretty much the king of that philosophy - if the price for merriman is miniscule (and i can't imagine it would be) then should i would bring him in, but given his recent play and recent injury history, spending a 2nd round pick on him, especially considering how good this upcoming draft is supposed to be in terms of the amount of quality players that will be available, would be insane

If he's going to bench a guy (Adalius Thomas) whos had the same production as a guy we're trading for, I just wouldn't get that one. Both have been ghosts since 07.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I agree that hes not a smart buy, in that hes a free agent next year, and hes going to want big money. He's too risky.

But the idea that he wasn't good is absolute lunacy.

Prior to 2008 Merriman was an absolute terror. Had he not gotten hurt and been nailed for roids he would have been a 7yr $100m w/ $40m guaranteed.

2 sacks in his last 11 starts will not get him buku bucks. Only way a team will sign him for a min-level deal is if his knee is sound and his head is on straight.

 

[Synovia]

I understand Merriman is the one move that actually CAN happen, but lets think about it here.

Do the Chargers really suck that bad that they're bringing Merriman down, or is Merriman's ineffectiveness killing the Chargers D? It seems ever since his knee injury, that defense has sucked. To me that sounds like they're counting on a pass rusher that just isn't getting it done.

I love the talent he has, but I don't trust that he'd be worth what we would give up for him.

The Chargers offense has gone from very good in 2006 and 2007 to right dead middle of the pack. When you have a fantastic offense, you see lots of pass rushing situations, because your team scores lots of points. When you aren't a good offense, you don't see lots of pass rushing situations, because you are mostly playing a balanced defense, or are behind and playing the run.

 

[Lockdown06]

I agree that hes not a smart buy, in that hes a free agent next year, and hes going to want big money. He's too risky.

But the idea that he wasn't good is absolute lunacy.

I apologize, my language was probably a little strong, he clearly had a very good year in 2007 - still, if you look at his career before suspension and after suspension, even with the good year, the results are underwhelming, especially because he seems to be trending downwards

 

[Synovia]

2 sacks in his last 11 starts will not get him buku bucks. Only way a team will sign him for a min-level deal is if his knee is sound and his head is on straight.

Well then, its good for him that hes had 7 sacks in his last 11 starts.

 

[Frezo]

To me Merriman looked a 1/2 step slow and very rusty last night. He also seemed to make bad decisions and was mostly playing away from the ball. Denver did respect him with a lot of double teams which totally neutralized him. IMO in 4 or 5 weeks he could be a force again. Age is on his side.

 

[Synovia]

I apologize, my language was probably a little strong, he clearly had a very good year in 2007 - still, if you look at his career before suspension and after suspension, even with the good year, the results are underwhelming, especially because he seems to be trending downwards

No, after his suspension, and prior to his injury, he had 21 sacks in 20 games. Thats not underwhelming. If you think thats poor, you're smoking crack.

The only time he hasn't been absolutely dominating, is the 5 games, this year, since returning from his injury.

 

[slash83]

Trade deadline is over, no deals are going to happen.

 

[BionicPatriot]

The Chargers offense has gone from very good in 2006 and 2007 to right dead middle of the pack. When you have a fantastic offense, you see lots of pass rushing situations, because your team scores lots of points. When you aren't a good offense, you don't see lots of pass rushing situations, because you are mostly playing a balanced defense, or are behind and playing the run.

This has got to be the worst cop out I think I've heard. How are a lot of teams not passing on SD when their secondary was destroyed all year last year? I'm just saying ever since they lost the effective Merriman, SD has never recovered on defense. When you're 6 games into the season, and your the caliber player Merriman is and you still only have 15 tackles, something is wrong bar none. I think a lot of SD's struggles this year are because they depend on a guy like Merriman to spark the front 7, that just doesn't happen.

It's not like we're trading for a Corey Dillon stuck on the Bengals, or Moss on the Raiders. You're trading for a guy that's not getting it done for a pretty good team that depends on him. That just doesn't sound safe to me.

 

[mossisboss]

Trade deadline is over at 4PM Eastern.

One more hour to go.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Well then, its good for him that hes had 7 sacks in his last 11 starts.

I'm not following you..

2009- 5 games 0 sacks
2008- 1 game -0 sacks
2007 5 games (inc 3 playoff games) 2 sacks.

 

[slash83]

Trade deadline is over at 4PM Eastern.

One more hour to go.

Oh snap! Get er done BB, still dont think anything is going to happen but will see.

 

[mossisboss]

Merriman is still dealing with a groin injury and being out of football for a year.

Like Tom Brady up until this past Sunday, it takes TIME to return back to former status.

 

[Lockdown06]

No, after his suspension, and prior to his injury, he had 21 sacks in 20 games. Thats not underwhelming. If you think thats poor, you're smoking crack.

The only time he hasn't been absolutely dominating, is the 5 games, this year, since returning from his injury.

you act like 2008 never happened, I agree he had a very good 07. I realize he's injured in 2008 but its going to affect him probably for the rest of his career - its very unlikely that he's going to put up those kinds of numbers again and i'm saying if you take his production pre-suspension (I'm not taking into account the latter part of his 06 stats, to me, those stats are tainted due to his suspension) and compare it to his total production over the last 3 years, its not very good.

 

[mossisboss]

Shawn Merriman is only 25 years old.

Past his PRIME? Never will return to his former status?

That take is as looney as the thought that Randy Moss was done at 30 when he came to the Patriots.

 

[Synovia]

I'm not following you..

2009- 5 games 0 sacks
2008- 1 game -0 sacks
2007 5 games (inc 3 playoff games) 2 sacks.

Ah, so we're counting the playoffs, and not regular season games. Nice job conveniently cutting it off right after the 6 sacks in weeks 12, 13, 14 of 2007.

So, we've got 6 games of him playing with a blown knee, 3 playoff games, and then the last 2 games of the season where his team had already locked up the division and he had very little playing time.

And you want to use that as an argument for how he wasn't all that good before he got hurt?

 

[Synovia]

you act like 2008 never happened, I agree he had a very good 07. I realize he's injured in 2008 but its going to affect him probably for the rest of his career - its very unlikely that he's going to put up those kinds of numbers again

Please point out where I have said that his knee injury is not going to affect him going forward. Please point out where I have said that he is going to be a stud going forward. I have not mentioned his production going forward once, but you continue to put up that strawman.

I am simply countering your inane argument that he was bad before the injury. Prior to getting hurt, and up until he got hurt, he was one of the best pass rushers in the NFL.

 

[BionicPatriot]

Shawn Merriman is only 25 years old.

Past his PRIME? Never will return to his former status?

That take is as looney as the thought that Randy Moss was done at 30 when he came to the Patriots.

Nobody is saying that. Someone else already said he's DEALING with a groin injury. why, of all years, would we add him the year he is unhealthy? Do we really want to trade for a guy that's not fully healthy right now and it's obviously hurting him?