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Manning, however, calls his own plays and does audibles...actually calls the shots a LOT more than Brady.
The question is whether or not Manning does it better than Brady, not whether or not he does it more. I hardly think that Manning either calls his plays or audibles better than Brady.
Also, Manning hasn't had the benefit of a decent defense for much or most of his time in Indy. That's why Manning has had to shoulder the burden of his whole team in his time in Indy more than Brady has...a lot more, I'd say.
Again, the question isn't whether he's had to shoulder more of the burden; the question is whether he is better at shouldering the burden than Brady. Based on their performances when they've actually had to shoulder the burden, I think Brady has clearly done the better job.
I figure Brady has had the benefit of a lot of things, including better coaching, something you shouldn't underestimate.
Again, the question isn't who has had what advantages; the question is who does the better job.
Manning has NINE season of over 4,000 yards. His other two seasons were pretty close to 4,000...both under 300 yards to that mark. This is an incredible feat, folks. Meanwhile, Tom has had only TWO seasons of over 4,000 yards.
Certainly a factor to consider. But, on the other hand, you also have to consider
- what Manning was asked to do in the Colts offense (score, baby, score)
- what Brady was asked to do in the Pats offense (in 2007: score, baby, score. In other years, play more conservatively in order to maximize the chances of winning the game)
- the weapons each had (consistently better for Manning up until 2007)
- the field they've played on (turf vs. natural grass)
- the weather conditions they've played in (dome vs. New England weather conditions)
- Brady's performance when he actually had great offensive weapons (record setting season)
Taking everything into account, I don't see much difference. I think you could make an argument either way. Brady's 2007 season - including all the games in less than ideal conditions - is a very powerful statement that he may well have performed as well or better than Manning given the same circumstances as Manning. However, it was only one season that far surpassed his other seasons. But it was the only season he truly had weapons on offense that came close to matching what Manning has had his entire career.
Brady fumbles the ball A LOT more than Manning...a lot more.
I'll take your word for it. Good point.
If you care about passer rating, Peyton's is higher than Tom's. His completion percentage is slightly higher.
As I mentioned in another thread, Manning has a lower rating on turf and a lower rating on grass. It is reasonable to conclude that he has a higher rating than Brady because he has played so much more on turf than grass. At any rate, I don't think QB rating significantly rates one over the other.
Manning is less than a year and a half older than Brady, and Manning has...
I'm sorry, age is supposed to matter? (as opposed to something like games played or passes attempted?) Your bias is showing...
Manning has just done more...a lot more.
I see you left out other relevant categories that don't favor Manning as much such as clutch play and playoff performances to name a couple. Also, to essentially ignore Championships in favor of offensive statistics (which are also produced by a team, not an individual) seems biased as well to me.
Manning is probably the best pure passer I've seen.
That would be Dan Marino for me.
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