Would you trade Peppers for Seymour???

[JackBauer]

Re: Would you trade Peppers for Seymour ???

You wait, Lets see if we try to resign him.

If we don't, it won't be because for the reasons you listed, as none of them apply to Seymour.

 

[APatrioticVirginian]

Re: Would you trade Peppers for Seymour ???

If we don't, it won't be because for the reasons you listed, as none of them apply to Seymour.

Then what reason would it be? Because he aint gonna be resigned.

 

[JackBauer]

Re: Would you trade Peppers for Seymour ???

Then what reason would it be? Because he aint gonna be resigned.

If he isn't, it will be because some mediocre team offered him way more than the Patriots were willing to pay. Which is why said team is mediocre and why the Patriots are the Patriots.

Also: We have the unfortunate confluence of several big name players' contracts expiring.

 

[cupofjoe1962]

Re: Would you trade Peppers for Seymour ???

I would drive Seymour to the Airport & wait at the airport (up to a week)
for Peppers to arrive.

Hope that answers your question.

 

[mgcolby]

Re: Would you trade Peppers for Seymour ???

If Richard Seymour was a 4-3 tackle he would be a league leader in sacks every year. And every average football fan would think he was among the best. because he would make multiple highlight reels every Sunday. And the Redskins would be getting ready to give him 120 million next season.

But he isn't, he is a 3-4 defensive end in a two gap system, who continually gets doubled teamed and sometimes triple teamed, yet stops the run as well as Albert Haynesworth in a contract year and gets his fair share of sacks. Sounds exactly like a fat, overweight whine ass that has mailed it in to me...

 

[MassPats38]

Re: Would you trade Peppers for Seymour ???

The lack of love for Seymour on this board simply baffles me. Quality 3-4 defensive ends don't grow on trees. We've got two of them and a brilliant nose tackle. Keep the line intact for as long as we can.

I attribute it to too much spent studying the Madden NFL player numbers. If you study defenses, player characteristics making them appropriate for particular defenses, or just listen to player opinions of Seymour (other than one whining OT) this questions shouldn't pose much of a challenge.

Peppers is not a 3-4 DE, he is a 4-3 DE. This reminds me of last years grab Taylor discussion (as a DE, he is a light speed rusher who does not want to engage a lineman head-on as a 3-4 DE must or permit the offensive linemen to hit a linebacker and blow the defense up). I would love to see Taylor play OLB, but no way do I want to see Peppers take a stab at OLB at $16 million/year, or even half that amount. There is absolutely nothing to suggest he can put on 30 pounds and play a 3-4 DE role, nor do I see the Pats dumping Seymour, Wilfork and Warren to convert the defense to a 4-3 to adopt Peppers (certainly in light of the fact he doesn't want to play DE anymore).

Seymour is worth 5 Peppers in a 3-4. Short of Peppers taking $6 million to try OLB, he is not worth the cost, leaving Seymour entirely out of the discussion. No way would I let Seymour go to bring Peppers to the team.

 

[ausbacker]

Re: Would you trade Peppers for Seymour ???

I attribute it to too much spent studying the Madden NFL player numbers. If you study defenses, player characteristics making them appropriate for particular defenses, or just listen to player opinions of Seymour (other than one whining OT) this questions shouldn't pose much of a challenge.

Peppers is not a 3-4 DE, he is a 4-3 DE. This reminds me of last years grab Taylor discussion (as a DE, he is a light speed rusher who does not want to engage a lineman head-on as a 3-4 DE must or permit the offensive linemen to hit a linebacker and blow the defense up). I would love to see Taylor play OLB, but no way do I want to see Peppers take a stab at OLB at $16 million/year, or even half that amount. There is absolutely nothing to suggest he can put on 30 pounds and play a 3-4 DE role, nor do I see the Pats dumping Seymour, Wilfork and Warren to convert the defense to a 4-3 to adopt Peppers (certainly in light of the fact he doesn't want to play DE anymore).

Seymour is worth 5 Peppers in a 3-4. Short of Peppers taking $6 million to try OLB, he is not worth the cost, leaving Seymour entirely out of the discussion. No way would I let Seymour go to bring Peppers to the team.

We share the same sentiment MassPats. The failure to distinguish between a 3-4 and a 4-3 defensive end is where the argument becomes problematic for some.

A top post. If the rep points were up, this would be at the top of my voting.

 

[JFK]

Re: Would you trade Peppers for Seymour ???

Well we can keep Wright and move Green to Seymours position and have Peppers @ OLB. Green played better than Seymour in 07. He isn't Seymour but I think doing this is better overall.

 

[nantucketguy]

Re: Would you trade Peppers for Seymour ???

i think BB would really prove how good he is if he traded for peppers....a sixth round draft pick

 

[BradyFTW!]

Re: Would you trade Peppers for Seymour ???

Well we can keep Wright and move Green to Seymours position and have Peppers @ OLB. Green played better than Seymour in 07. He isn't Seymour but I think doing this is better overall.

Seymour was injured in 2007, hence him being PUPed at the start of the season. In 2008, he was back to his old dominant form.

 

[Kontradiction]

Re: Would you trade Peppers for Seymour ???

If Richard Seymour was a 4-3 tackle he would be a league leader in sacks every year. And every average football fan would think he was among the best. because he would make multiple highlight reels every Sunday. And the Redskins would be getting ready to give him 120 million next season.

But he isn't, he is a 3-4 defensive end in a two gap system, who continually gets doubled teamed and sometimes triple teamed, yet stops the run as well as Albert Haynesworth in a contract year and gets his fair share of sacks. Sounds exactly like a fat, overweight whine ass that has mailed it in to me...

Exactly. This thread is excellent. I now know who to add to my ignore list before the season starts.

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

Re: Would you trade Peppers for Seymour ???

a 3-4 DE with 8 sacks, and some of you want to trade him?
I don't care who you bring in, they would have trouble getting that stat with this system. Not to mention his run stopping skills. I must agree with the good posters, this thread is stupid

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Re: Would you trade Peppers for Seymour ???

This thread is like listening to WEEI, Seymour is the most underappreciated player on this team if the callers are any indication.

 

[NEGoldenAge]

Re: Would you trade Peppers for Seymour ???

Peppers in not a 3-4 DE, and simply isn't built to be one. Seymour is great, and if he had been healthy most of his career, would be a lock for the HOF. Unless the Pats were planning on becoming a 4-3 team, the idea simply doesn't work.

All that being said, it's pretty amazing that some of you are calling Seymour the BEST 3-4 DE in the game. He hasn't been on the field enough to earn that distinction, and even if he had, he still would not hold the undisputed title of the best.... but at least the argument would make sense in that context.

 

[Nestapats]

Re: Would you trade Peppers for Seymour ???

I think it's a pretty good trade. Seymour is more of a liability with his injuries and is older. Peppers probably gets more money. The patriots still have Jarvis Green under an already pretty expensive contract, so we could re-sign him to a friendlier deal.

Peppers will play OLB for us so he'll fill a need, while Green can fill the void left by Big Sey. I know Green isn't the same as Sey, but it would surely boost our passing defense because of the added pressure that comes with Green and Peppers. I'm pretty sure we're not going to give seymour top 5 DE money, cause that's just not the way we do it, so why not trade him for peppers in stead of giving up two high draft picks.

The only thing that concerns me is if we'll be able to resign Wilfork, if so i would do it in a heartbeat.

 

[Nestapats]

Re: Would you trade Peppers for Seymour ???

I'm sorry, just found out Seymour is just as old as peppers

 

[MassPats38]

Re: Would you trade Peppers for Seymour ???

Well we can keep Wright and move Green to Seymours position and have Peppers @ OLB. Green played better than Seymour in 07. He isn't Seymour but I think doing this is better overall.

You have to be joking. Wright and Green have played a back-up role their entire careers. Green has been on the team since 2002 and Wright since 2005. They have played when Wilfork, Warren or Seymour were injured. Both benefit from double teams thrown at any of the aforementioned linemen, so you may reasonably question how good either actually are without Wilfork, Warren or Seymour on the field with them. You may also question why the Patriots have started those players over them for years, and why the Pats were willing to throw the money at Warren when the time came to do so if they were such tremendous options.

And Seymour started 2007 hurt. That is a matter of record. He was hurt doing what Belichick asked him to do - playing fullback and blocking. If he was healthy in a year in which teams predictably had to pass against the Patriots, expect either he or somebody else in the front seven would have raked in that many sacks or more. And as stated, Green can pass rush. Run defense would be his weakness.

 

[ausbacker]

Re: Would you trade Peppers for Seymour ???

Peppers will play OLB for us so he'll fill a need, while Green can fill the void left by Big Sey. I know Green isn't the same as Sey, but it would surely boost our passing defense because of the added pressure that comes with Green and Peppers.

Based on that theory you are replacing something that works perfectly well with another ingredient that may work as well but is of a slightly lesser grade?

No thanks. I'll stay with a front 3 of Warren, Wilfork and Seymour. That is the best 3-4 line in football. Filling in the 4 behind them is the chess board.

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

Re: Would you trade Peppers for Seymour ???

Based on that theory you are replacing something that works perfectly well with another ingredient that may work as well but is of a slightly lesser grade?

No thanks. I'll stay with a front 3 of Warren, Wilfork and Seymour. That is the best 3-4 line in football. Filling in the 4 behind them is the chess board.

I still don't why everyone assumes that Peppers can come right in and play OLB. No thanks, i'll stay with Seymour, and draft someone. Not to mention we need money for Wilfork.

 

[Nestapats]

Re: Would you trade Peppers for Seymour ???

Based on that theory you are replacing something that works perfectly well with another ingredient that may work as well but is of a slightly lesser grade?

No thanks. I'll stay with a front 3 of Warren, Wilfork and Seymour. That is the best 3-4 line in football. Filling in the 4 behind them is the chess board.

I'm absolutely not saying that this is a bad D-line, and i wouldn't be upset if we would go into the season with this threesome, but all i'm saying is that i feel the Patriots can take the risk with Peppers, because i think they can fill the void left by Seymour. We wan't to win championships and sometimes you gotta try something radical. I would feel good about the move.