The Patriots won't get an opportunity to "trade" Cassel

[AzPatsFan]

If Detroit signs Cassel, wouldn't they have to give up their own picks?

IRC, Miguel said they couldn't give another pick lower than their own, so it is Detroit's number 1, not their Dallas 20. But that applies if they make a tender offer. A trade can be done that way, if the Pats agree, and Cassel signs the franchise tender.

 

[Fencer]

Probably a 'daft' idea but this is one way to get rid of one of the top 1st round picks (#1-5) that supposidly is hard to trade down and avoid pay crazy money to rookies. Granted - you will lose your first rounders for next 2 years.

One can always pass on one's pick. There is NO WAY a high pick is worth less than a lower one.

 

[SunnyDenmark]

One can always pass on one's pick. There is NO WAY a high pick is worth less than a lower one.

True - but what signal does that send to your fans and to your team? (when you pass up your turn in the draft on a high first rounder). The fans would be enraged and it makes you look cheap and indecisive. Better to make it look like you know what you are doing with the decision to give up your high #1 for next 2 years for Matt Cassell. And it saves you the possibility of a rookie hold out and the bust potential of 1st rounders - especially at QB.

 

[mgteich]

Minny, Tenn and Chicago all could offer two firsts which would be the equivalent of about a 2009 #10 pick. The question is NOT whether Cassel is worth the #3 and a #3 next year. The question is whether he is worth the 2009 #10 to one of three teams.

People mention Carolina. Do they have a first?

 

[Jimke]

Minny, Tenn and Chicago all could offer two firsts which would be the equivalent of about a 2009 #10 pick. The question is NOT whether Cassel is worth the #3 and a #3 next year. The question is whether he is worth the 2009 #10 to one of three teams.

People mention Carolina. Do they have a first?

Carolina traded their 2009 pick.

 

[Rob0729]

Hi, Rob.

I'm not sure what it is you are disagreeing with me on.

I don't think Cassel will ever sign the tender and that the Patriots will have the opportunity to trade him.

BTW, I did get the RFA thing wrong according to Miguel. I was right that he would be a RFA, but according to Miguel he would have to get 110% of his 2009 salary not the RFA tender. I always thought the RFA tender was set no matter the previous year's salary was, but we are hitting uncharted areas since without the uncapped year it would be impossible for a player to be a franchised UFA one year and then a RFA the next. I will defer to Miguel on this one since he studies it far more than me.

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

I don't think Cassel will ever sign the tender and that the Patriots will have the opportunity to trade him.

BTW, I did get the RFA thing wrong according to Miguel. I was right that he would be a RFA, but according to Miguel he would have to get 110% of his 2009 salary not the RFA tender. I always thought the RFA tender was set no matter the previous year's salary was, but we are hitting uncharted areas since without the uncapped year it would be impossible for a player to be a franchised UFA one year and then a RFA the next. I will defer to Miguel on this one since he studies it far more than me.

Rob, as my thread topic says, I don't figure the Pats will get an opportunity to trade Cassel either for I strongly believe some team will sign Cassel while he's tagged and relinquish two 1st rounders to the Pats in the process.

Only if this doesn't happen do I believe that Cassel will sign his tag and then force the Pats into a trade.

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

Here's why. IMHO of course.

The recent positive media stories on Cassel's play last year (Pro Football Weekly ranking him 32nd best player, not QB, in the NFL) and his offseason value (TSN ranking Cassel as 3rd best FA player, not QB, in the NFL this offseason) seem to be suggesting (confirming?) that Cassel is a franchise caliber QB, one of obvious high demand, this offseason.

So, allow me to work with this axiom.

Given the abundance of teams desperate to find even a decent starting QB, and coupled with a dearth of quality QB's being available, I believe we will see at least one team (likely more) jump at the opportunity to acquire Cassel this offseason via the "two firsts compensation for franchise tagged players" rule afforded them by the CBA.

For a team staring at hiring a re-tread FA like Garcia or Favre or ? and who are drafting outside the top 10, and without any hope to land either Stafford or Sanchez, I would think that they will be ecstatic to be in position to land Cassel, who I would imagine the vast majority, if not all, teams would have ranked as higher value, and certainly far less of a risk, than either Stafford or Sanchez ..... for the mere cost of a couple of mid to late round 1st's.

The key here is that the team needs to pounce on Cassel PRIOR to him signing his tag tender BEFORE he becomes a contracted player to and thus, under control of, the Pats. Cassel's agent would almost certainly advise his client to refrain from signing the tender until after such time as they have explored a market with the least amount of restrictions possible. Keeping the Pats out of it ensures as open a market as possible for his client so that he can attempt to secure the best deal possible for his client. Assuming suitable interest, Cassel's agent comes up with a contract that they want and they bring that offer back to the Pats in order to match. At this point the Pats either match (highly unlikely) or take the picks as per the CBA allotment.

Failing this action I believe Cassel's agent would then instruct his client to sign the franchise tender, take the money, and then worry about finding a suitable dancing partner afterwards.

Thought's or criticism's?

Well. so much my my theory. I have no idea why the Cassel camp would sign this so quickly but I suppose this is why I am in medicine and not a players agent nor team GM

Sorry I wasted everyone's time on this one.

Now it's time for everyone to speculate which team the Pats trade Cassel too. My guess is it's KC but, with my track record on things Cassel related, I wouldn't bet anything on it.

 

[Joker]

what hospital do you work in so I can make sure I stay away from it, Dr. Kevorkian...

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Well. so much my my theory. I have no idea why the Cassel camp would sign this so quickly but I suppose this is why I am in medicine and not a players agent nor team GM

The only way it would have made a difference is if there were a team so desperate that they'd be willing to give up two #1s. Similarly, Cassel could just be looking out for his own self-interest, and have decided that guarantee of $14M is worth the risk of not playing this year.

 

[WhiZa]

What's the benefit of him not signing it besides waiting for a long term deal?

 

[mgteich]

Would it be desparate to give the #10 pick in the draft for Cassel? There are five teams that need QB's that may have have been willing to trade their 2009 and 2010 firsts for Cassel. That would be approximately equal value to the #10. I suspect at least one of those team will be trying to trade up in the draft.

Cassel made the determination that he couldn't make a deal with any of the five teams (including the jets) and that he would yield him $14.6M in 2009 compensation from any of them. His agent didn't even try. He could have waited a week into free agency to sign the tender, if he found out that there was he couldn't get enough.

The second alternative is that he thinks that he can get more from another team (one that the patriots would be willing to trade him to).

In the end, I cannot fault Cassel for taking $14.6M. Even after taxes, he can clear $600K a year for the rest of his life, and the life of his children and grandchildren.

The only way it would have made a difference is if there were a team so desperate that they'd be willing to give up two #1s. Similarly, Cassel could just be looking out for his own self-interest, and have decided that guarantee of $14M is worth the risk of not playing this year.

 

[mgteich]

1) waiting for a long term deal
2) the ability to negotiate with the teams that might be willing to gieve up 2 firsts (after the first week of free agency, he could have signed the tag if this didn't work out)

What's the benefit of him not signing it besides waiting for a long
term deal?

 

[AzPatsFan]

Hmmn an endless list ofposts earnestly saying either
a) The Pats will never tag Cassel; or
b) Cassel wil neve sign the tag.

c) Reality: The first day he could, he tagged Cassel; the first day he could, Cassel signed the tag.
Y'all were eruditely and earnestly... wrong.

Belichick can afford to carry two good QBs, this season, and I think he is going to do so, at least for the 2009 season.

Cassel is going to stick around and I think, compete for the Patriots QB job, just like he did at USC; rather than go to an inferior program, just to play. :idea2: :itsok:

 

[Taxed in Maine]

Hmmn an endless list ofposts earnestly saying either
a) The Pats will never tag Cassel; or
b) Cassel wil neve sign the tag.

c) Reality: The first day he could, he tagged Cassel; the first day he could, Cassel signed the tag.
Y'all were eruditely and earnestly... wrong.

Belichick can afford to carry two good QBs, this season, and I think he is going to do so, at least for the 2009 season.

Cassel is going to stick around and I think, compete for the Patriots QB job, just like he did at USC; rather than go to an inferior program, just to play. :idea2: :itsok:

You just continue to ignore the facts.
It's like you've got your fingers in your ears- LALALALALALALa- don't confuse me with the facts I've got my mind made up.

A- Tagging Cassell on the first day gives them maximum negotiation time.

B- Cassell signing the Tag has NO bearing on a trade, it simply Guarantees that Cassell will be a wealthy young man.....somewhere.

C- The Pats simply CANNOT afford to keep him at that price. He will extend for a much lower price or be traded.

But, you know I really don't want to get you too confused.

 

[AzPatsFan]

You just continue to ignore the facts.
It's like you've got your fingers in your ears- LALALALALALALa- don't confuse me with the facts I've got my mind made up.

A- Tagging Cassell on the first day gives them maximum negotiation time.

B- Cassell signing the Tag has NO bearing on a trade, it simply Guarantees that Cassell will be a wealthy young man.....somewhere.

C- The Pats simply CANNOT afford to keep him at that price. He will extend for a much lower price or be traded.

But, you know I really don't want to get you too confused.

What FACTS? Please tell me why and what and BE SPECIFIC, that they cannot AFFORD, in 2009, to carry two good QBs.

Don't give me generalities. I dare you to do so. If you can, I will conceed, but you can't, because I have carefully considered the 2009 CAP situation.

And its is not kosher to say we must sign Wilfork this year when his contract doesn't runout for another season. Or someone else whose contract doesn't run out for two or three more years. They can sign all their own FAs and even sign, specifically, Seymour as well, whose contract doesn't run out until after 2009.

 

[Rob0729]

I don't think Cassel will ever sign the tender and that the Patriots will have the opportunity to trade him.

BTW, I did get the RFA thing wrong according to Miguel. I was right that he would be a RFA, but according to Miguel he would have to get 110% of his 2009 salary not the RFA tender. I always thought the RFA tender was set no matter the previous year's salary was, but we are hitting uncharted areas since without the uncapped year it would be impossible for a player to be a franchised UFA one year and then a RFA the next. I will defer to Miguel on this one since he studies it far more than me.

Oops! I guess I am wrong. What I meant to say was I don't think Cassel will even not sign the tender. No really! That is what I meant.

 

[Fencer]

In the end, I cannot fault Cassel for taking $14.6M. Even after taxes, he can clear $600K a year for the rest of his life, and the life of his children and grandchildren.

Without inflation adjustment, at best.

 

[mgteich]

I buy 6.5% to 8% investment quality corporate bonds all the time. Your point with regard to inflation adjustment is quite valid. If the after tax amount is $10M, even the most conservative investors should be able to get $400K or $450K a year, even with an inflation adjustment.

Without inflation adjustment, at best.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I buy 6.5% to 8% investment quality corporate bonds all the time. Your point with regard to inflation adjustment is quite valid. If the after tax amount is $10M, even the most conservative investors should be able to get $400K or $450K a year, even with an inflation adjustment.

Well, at just 3% interest, $10M can get you an annuity that pays out $307K for 100 years. . . .