How many great-good QBs have we ever had?

[italian pat patriot]

now that we are talking in the last period about Cassel or O'Connell or Gutierrez: in approx 50 years how many great-good qb we had overall ?

in my opinion: Brady, Bledsoe, Eason, Grogan, Parilli, Plunkett, Flutie.

let's say 7 in 48 years ?

between great and good

 

[Lloyd_Christmas]

Re: How many great-good qb we ever had ?

now that we are talking in the last period about Cassel or O'Connell or Gutierrez: in approx 50 years how many great-good qb we had overall ?

in my opinion: Brady, Bledsoe, Eason, Grogan, Parilli, Plunkett, Flutie.

let's say 7 in 48 years ?

between great and good

Should we count a guy like Testeverde even though his time with us was as a backup QB? If not, should Flutie really be on the list. He was OK during his time with us, but not great. His best years were with Canada.

I didn't follow the team prior to 1985, but I'd say your list is pretty good from that point until now.

 

[Stokes]

Re: How many great-good qb we ever had ?

now that we are talking in the last period about Cassel or O'Connell or Gutierrez: in approx 50 years how many great-good qb we had overall ?

in my opinion: Brady, Bledsoe, Eason, Grogan, Parilli, Plunkett, Flutie.

let's say 7 in 48 years ?

between great and good

I take Eason and Flutie off that list and rename it "very good or better during some part of their Pats career."

I'm also wondering why Michael Bishop was left off this list.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: How many great-good qb we ever had ?

now that we are talking in the last period about Cassel or O'Connell or Gutierrez: in approx 50 years how many great-good qb we had overall ?

in my opinion: Brady, Bledsoe, Eason, Grogan, Parilli, Plunkett, Flutie.

let's say 7 in 48 years ?

between great and good

Well, if you are counting their quality while they were a Patriots, you can take both Plunkett and Flutie off the list. Neither did much of anything here.

As for Eason, he was good for about 2 years and totally fell apart.

Also, both Brady and Bledsoe each were starting QBs for a decade or so. Bledsoe was 9 years and Brady is 8 and counting. Parilli was the starter seven of those years. So 24 of those 48 years were by three QBs. Grogan played for Patriots 16 years, but only started most of the games for about 5-6 of them.

If you

 

[DSal]

Re: How many great-good qb we ever had ?

now that we are talking in the last period about Cassel or O'Connell or Gutierrez: in approx 50 years how many great-good qb we had overall ?

in my opinion: Brady, Bledsoe, Eason, Grogan, Parilli, Plunkett, Flutie.

let's say 7 in 48 years ?

between great and good

I would take Eason out of the group. Plunkett was a good QB that got the snot kicked out of him while he was here then went on to win a SB w/Oakland. Flutie was a great college QB, but a guy that one would have a hard time criticizing because of his heart and grit when he played.

 

[italian pat patriot]

Re: How many great-good qb we ever had ?

I take Eason and Flutie off that list and rename it "very good or better during some part of their Pats career."

the main reason why i put Eason as 'good' as, also allready mentioned, he made 2 good years with us

and partially also for the memories beacuse when i started to love the Patriots Tony Eason and Steve Grogan were the qb

 

[Lifer]

Re: How many great-good qb we ever had ?

I will ALWAYS be grateful to Tony Eason for being the QB who did what he was asked to do perfectly and getting us to our first Super Bowl. He managed the game perfectly in the playoffs. He also had a terrific season in 1984 and an excellent one in 1986. So i give him 3 good seasons, not 2, because without him in 1985, they dont make the SB. Watch the tapes of the playoff games, he was Tom Brady in 2001 those 3 games.

 

[italian pat patriot]

Re: How many great-good qb we ever had ?

I will ALWAYS be grateful to Tony Eason for being the QB who did what he was asked to do perfectly and getting us to our first Super Bowl. He managed the game perfectly in the playoffs. He also had a terrific season in 1984 and an excellent one in 1986. So i give him 3 good seasons, not 2, because without him in 1985, they dont make the SB. Watch the tapes of the playoff games, he was Tom Brady in 2001 those 3 games.

true; he was also very very talented

i always be very grateful to Tony Eason too and this is the reason why i consider him at the top list of our great-good qb

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: How many great-good qb we ever had ?

the main reason why i put Eason as 'good' as, also allready mentioned, he made 2 good years with us

and partially also for the memories beacuse when i started to love the Patriots Tony Eason and Steve Grogan were the qb

That has nothing to do with assessments like good to great, though...

Brady is all time great. Bledsoe and Parelli were good to great for a time in their day. Grogan was more guts than good and not remotely great. Flutie and Plunkett were on our roster briefly but good to borderline great elsewhere. Eason doesn't belong on the list.

 

[italian pat patriot]

Re: How many great-good qb we ever had ?

That has nothing to do with assessments like good to great, though...

Brady is all time great. Bledsoe and Parelli were good to great for a time in their day. Grogan was more guts than good and not remotely great. Flutie and Plunkett were on our roster briefly but good to borderline great elsewhere. Eason doesn't belong on the list.

so you are saying that for 2-3 seasons Tony Eason was not a good qb ?

i mentioned the 'great' and the 'good' ones and, imho, Eason was for us a good one

if i misunderstood you, sorry for it

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Re: How many great-good qb we ever had ?

Well, if you are counting their quality while they were a Patriots, you can take both Plunkett and Flutie off the list. Neither did much of anything here.

Thru no fault of Plunkett. He started as a rookie behind an O-line made of Swiss cheese and at least helped the Pats reach mediocrity from pitiful. He got absolutely brutalized with the amount of hits he took while he was here and deserved to go out with a ring, even if it was with Oakland...

 

[godef]

Re: How many great-good qb we ever had ?

now that we are talking in the last period about Cassel or O'Connell or Gutierrez: in approx 50 years how many great-good qb we had overall ?

in my opinion: Brady, Bledsoe, Eason, Grogan, Parilli, Plunkett, Flutie.

let's say 7 in 48 years ?

between great and good

I don't think you can count Plunkett or Flutie in that their "great" years did not occur as New England Patriots.

Actually, Flutie has never had any great NFL years; his claim to greatness comes from his college career. Fluties was, at best, a decent NFL QB.

Grogan for that matter, one of my all time favorite Patriots, cannot be considered a great QB. He was good, and played a gutsy brand of QB, but I don't think you can put him up their with Brady, Plunkett during his Raider years, or even Bledsoe who, in my opinion, was never better than a "2nd tier" great QB. Many would also question Eason who, despite putting up some great numbers for a few years, lacked the toughness and dedication that comes with greatness.

On the other hand, if your criteria is simply what great QBs ever "passed through" the Patriots, then I'd think you'd still have to remove Flutie since his greatness was not in the NFL, otherwise, you would have to include all the great high school QBs by extension, which would probably amount to EVERY qb who ever played for the Pats. And that means you also would have forgotten Joe Kapp who was a great QB at Minnesota, but stunk up the joint when he came here.

 

[MassPats38]

Re: How many great-good qb we ever had ?

That has nothing to do with assessments like good to great, though...

Brady is all time great. Bledsoe and Parelli were good to great for a time in their day. Grogan was more guts than good and not remotely great. Flutie and Plunkett were on our roster briefly but good to borderline great elsewhere. Eason doesn't belong on the list.

During his career, Grogan always struck me as having two talents he could never use at the same time. Early in his career he was a scrambling QB who broke rushing records (scary to think he was the Michael Vick of the day). Later, when his legs went he was a gutsy pocket passer. He would also drive you nuts by heaving bombs into double coverage when you just knew the receiver would not get to it. His overall work for the Pats certainly makes him a good QB.

Plunkett never got the chance to shine and struck me as living the Archie Manning story with the Pats - forever under siege and never able to showcase his skills. The team around him was just bad. His status rose after he left the team, so I would not really call him a good or great QB while here.

Eason strikes me as the Calvin Schiraldi of the Patriots (sorry for the baseball analogy) - potential and one great season. For that one world series year in 1986, Schiraldi was lights out, but he had a meltdown and disappeared. Eason, following the same track, is largely considered a bust (the guy we picked when we could have picked Marino) at a career level, so the one good year would not cause me to call him good, let alone great.

Flutie really didn't do much with the Patriots (he was with the team twice). He is gutsy, but if he enjoyed any NFL success it would more likely be with the Bills or Chargers. His greatness is more as a college/CFL QB.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: How many great-good qb we ever had ?

Thru no fault of Plunkett. He started as a rookie behind an O-line made of Swiss cheese and at least helped the Pats reach mediocrity from pitiful. He got absolutely brutalized with the amount of hits he took while he was here and deserved to go out with a ring, even if it was with Oakland...

Don't forget Plunkett failed in San Francisco before he ended up in Oakland. The Pats did trade Plunkett to the Bay area, but not the Raiders. He played 2 years for the 49ers after the Pats traded him. Played better than he did for the Pats, but not significantly.

 

[jmt57]

Re: How many great-good qb we ever had ?

Plunkett is a great due to what the Pats got for him in return when he was traded.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: How many great-good qb we ever had ?

so you are saying that for 2-3 seasons Tony Eason was not a good qb ?

i mentioned the 'great' and the 'good' ones and, imho, Eason was for us a good one

if i misunderstood you, sorry for it

I'm saying what constitutes good is relative. He was a crashing disappointment considering he was drafted in the first round of a draft that yielded more than 50% Pro Bowlers and a third eventual HOF'ers. He showed inconsistent flashes of talent over 3 of his 7 years here and 10 in the league.

 

[primetime]

Re: How many great-good qb we ever had ?

Flutie and Plunkett were on our roster briefly but good to borderline great elsewhere. Eason doesn't belong on the list.

Flutie was never great in the NFL. He was good in Buffalo for a couple years, but that's about it. His starting stint early in his career in New England was all but forgettable. His best years were in Canada - I'm sure there's a number of backup NFL QBs who would be Canadian superstars. That doesn't make them great.

I'd say Brady, Bledsoe, Parilli, Grogan... Eason for a very, very short period. Plunkett was great in Oakland but not in New England.

I'm wondering why Tommy Hodson and Marc Wilson aren't on this list, though.

 

[NEPatriot]

Re: How many great-good qb we ever had ?

TB is the ONE.

 

[Pats726]

Re: How many great-good qb we ever had ?

now that we are talking in the last period about Cassel or O'Connell or Gutierrez: in approx 50 years how many great-good qb we had overall ?

in my opinion: Brady, Bledsoe, Eason, Grogan, Parilli, Plunkett, Flutie.

let's say 7 in 48 years ?

between great and good

Flutie I would not include..but I would teh others even though Eason was only really good for 2 years..he was wth the team a number of years..

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: How many great-good qb we ever had ?

Flutie was never great in the NFL. He was good in Buffalo for a couple years, but that's about it. His starting stint early in his career in New England was all but forgettable. His best years were in Canada - I'm sure there's a number of backup NFL QBs who would be Canadian superstars. That doesn't make them great.

I'd say Brady, Bledsoe, Parilli, Grogan... Eason for a very, very short period. Plunkett was great in Oakland but not in New England.

I'm wondering why Tommy Hodson and Marc Wilson aren't on this list, though.

Yeah, like Warren Moon and the incomparable Jeff Garcia... There was a reason I said good to boderline great elsewhere (as in not on this team or not in this league).

Some people just tend to romanticize good to great when it comes to the team they followed back in the day...even to the extent of pining for outdated unforms.