Yes, another Moss thread! Question...

[Bella*chick]

ah ... but maybe they claim Randy was psychologically damaged
goods before the trade and Belichick knew it but did not disclose it ... in fact
hid it from them. Who knows what they claim but it won't take much of a reason for Commissioner Rodger "I hate the Patriots" Goodell to rule in their
favor.

I reeeeeaally doubt that the league wants to make this some kind of precedent.

 

[Kontradiction]

Thanks. So he ain't coming back.

I really don't think he is. Even if he makes it off the waiver wire, he's going to want to get paid. We weren't exactly rushing to get that done before, so why would we do it now? Just my two cents.

 

[Pewsterbaby]

Kontra! Where ya been? I checked yer recent activity yesterday & Sunday to see watcha had ta say 'bout tha game and Randy and everythin and you were nowhere to be found.

 

[MassPats38]

Why are people even asking if the trade can be reversed? If I buy a Lottery ticket and it turns out to be a dud, can I just go get my money back because it's not a winner? It is basically the same thing.

There was some reference in an article yesterday to an attempt by Minny to void this trade.

Chilly will probably argue that Belichick's vastly superior intellect and football knowledge allowed him to defraud Chilly in this transaction, thereby making this deal fundamentally unfair. Chilly will argue that his football acumen rivals that of an eggplant or turnip and for the sake of parity in the NFL Belichick should not be allowed to take advantage of his failings. Chilly is thereby invoking the ancient and revered doctrine of "The Mulligan" to pretend this trade never happened.

And no, in all seriousness there is no way I see this trade being undone given the fact Moss played 4 games prior to being waived. Usually the deal breaker is contract terms or physical, meaning you don't test drive a player. It's called due diligence.

 

[upstater1]

My gut tells me that Moss' agent and the Pats FO have already had that conversation.

...and BB had "Runaway" by Bon Jovi playing in the background.

I believe the Talking Heads song, "Psychodrama, run run awaaaaaaaaaaayyy," was playing in the background.

 

[Pewsterbaby]

I would love to see him come back just for the utter random craziness of the whole thing. I 'ove sh*t shows! Plus I think he would be a good solider going forward if he could get a Prozac script.

This.

and...

+1

I never did either a those before. See how much I learn over here? Pretty good, huh? I hope I did 'em right.

 

[Pewsterbaby]

I believe the Talking Heads song, "Psychodrama, run run awaaaaaaaaaaayyy," was playing in the background.

That's "Psycho Killer, quest que c'est? Run run run awayy. Hey hey hey hey. Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. Fuh fuh fuh fuh fuh fuh fuh faaa faaa."

 

[Patstopia]

Randy won't be back! The Pats got rid of him for a reason. That reason hasn't changed.

 

[Batman]

I believe anyone can claim him from the wire as long as it's in order of record that team then take on his agreed contract randy then has to report or get fined as he has a contract in place he doesn't have to work when he gets there just has to report. Of he clears waivers he is a FA and Viking are on the hook for his contract an he can be signed with Viking making up the rest of his guaranteed $$$'s. I doubt the jet or phins will pick him up knowing he won't play like he can an therefore to spite us they would have to waste a roster spot.

 

[Brady_12]

I was 100% certain when I saw this post PJ would say "claim the beast!"

 

[alamo]

I believe that this changed because the Giants claimed Alex Hall off waivers yesterday and the 49ers claimed Thaddeus Gibson. My understanding is that would move them down behind the Pats.

Never ever heard such a rule in the NFL.

I think this is a common fantasy league rule, though, lol.

 

[Mainefan]

If the NFL ever starts reversing trades, I'd like to talk about Adelius Thomas and Derrick Burgess, among others.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

If a team claims him on waivers he has no recourse but to report or he will receive the old five day letter and be placed on the retired/did not report list and receive zero compensation. He would then become a free agent at the start of the next league year and that team would receive any draft compensation due if he signs as a FA elsewhere and they don't sign more FA than would negate their receiving a comp pick.

If he isn't claimed by any team he becomes a UFA on Wednesday at 4PM. In that case Minnesota is on the hook for his remaining 2010 salary and he is free to negotiate an additional salary or longer term contract with any team interested.

The reason to claim him is to avoid a bidding war with another interested party while also avoiding being forced to engage in potential longer term negotiations. If he refuses to report as a result, you're essentially not on the hook for anything. If he reports and refuses to participate he can be suspended with cause. If he reports and you end up wishing he hadn't, it's you're turn to waive him and eat a chunk of dough while wiping the egg from your face...

In order to stop the snowball careening downhill that is the remainder of his career and his next contract being the first of a series of prove it again deals ala TO, Randy needs to find a way to dispell the growing concern that he is what he is and his risk outweights any reward. But giving how his mind works, who knows what track he will next persue. If like many here he's convinced himself he's somehow earned a do over here, he's likely to be in for an even ruder awakening than the two he basically shrugged off in the last 25 days. His new agent hasn't had any mitigating effect on his behavior, but then that's what you get for dumping the one guy who genuinely seemed to care and who had stuck with him for better or worse since his HS days trying to concurrently get him what he wanted while also attempting to get him what he needed.

 

[upstater1]

If the NFL ever starts reversing trades, I'd like to talk about Adelius Thomas and Derrick Burgess, among others.

Adalius was a FA signing.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I believe that this changed because the Giants claimed Alex Hall off waivers yesterday and the 49ers claimed Thaddeus Gibson. My understanding is that would move them down behind the Pats.

I know there are some weird rules, but I think the rule is something like if you've already claimed one player, it becomes harder to claim a second player on the same waiver report.

 

[TBradyOwnsYou]

if he passes waivers he DOES NOT get a new full contract the Vikes pay the rest of it and he gaet 450,000 or somthing like that for the rest of the year.

If you think the Pats wouldn't jump at that given the chance you guys are crazy

Considering Bill got rid of Randy because he smelled a mental breakdown happening, and then Randy completely melted down, I don't follow your logic that Bill would jump right back on that grenade when he has already thrown it out.

 

[Aßßynormal]

Every day Minny waits to waive screws Moss on going to another team. I'm waiting to see if he's on the list as 4:00 today.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Every day Minny waits to waive screws Moss on going to another team. I'm waiting to see if he's on the list as 4:00 today.

It does limit the new teams ability to get him onboard. But I have a feeling part of the reasoning was to give teams time to digest a stunning development and talk themselves into making a claim. Some teams lost receivers after Sunday's games and that isn't always clear until after the Monday medicals. The more perceived interest in Moss the more likely someone claims him.

 

[JR4]

Maybe Minny is waiting to put him on waiver so that the NFL has a chance
to evaluate their claim to get their draft pick back.

If Minny got their draft pick back Moss would have to go back to New England and that would not happen if another team claimed him off waivers.