WR Percy Harvin traded to Seahawks

[patman52]

Cannot wait for the Sherman show to start holding out and demanding ridiculous money. It is going to be fun to watch.

Why would he? He knows he will get paid when his time comes, either by them or by someone else. And if you watched Lane play last year I think the seahawks would wait him out.

 

[Brady6]

Harvin to 'Hawks

Why would he? He knows he will get paid when his time comes, either by them or by someone else. And if you watched Lane play last year I think the seahawks would wait him out.

Because he is fool why would he do any of the things he does? Tweet Revis, trash talk Brady.. He is clown.

 

[mgteich]

This is an interesting idea. Cutting Rice would save $6M with which they might do better on the open market.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Rice get cut..

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

Nonsense. The value of the player is determined by the market modified by the specifics of the player. There is no need, at all, to wait on his future production.

You're kidding, right?

As a Pats fan you outta know that future value is a major factor in how a (successful) team determines a players value, and ultimate worth, to the team.

In any event, judging a players value before he ever steps onto the field for the new team is nothing more than a shot in the dark prediction.

I did answer it. Twice

It's a yes or no answer which I can't seem to find anywhere. Can you point it out to me perhaps?

 

[tonyto3690]

Terrible move by Seattle.

This is exactly the same kind of short sighted move that closes the window of contenders quicker than it could be, and exactly why we saw the Colts, Patriots and Steelers able to maintain success over a long period of time.

-This limits their cap space by forcing them to give a big contract to Harvin, an injury prone player.
-This limits their cap space by not having a first round calibre player on a rookie contract
-This ties up resources on an injury prone older player.


Sure, it may help them this year, but long term it's a pretty foolish move.

 

[Claremonster]

Jay Glazer ?@JayGlazer
The Seahawks and Vikings have agreed to a trade that send Harvin to Seattle for draft picks, pending Harvin passing a physical

HMMMM...Seattle didn't cheat for just tampering, right?

 

[Claremonster]

Terrible move by Seattle.

This is exactly the same kind of short sighted move that closes the window of contenders quicker than it could be, and exactly why we saw the Colts, Patriots and Steelers able to maintain success over a long period of time.

-This limits their cap space by forcing them to give a big contract to Harvin, an injury prone player.
-This limits their cap space by not having a first round calibre player on a rookie contract
-This ties up resources on an injury prone older player.


Sure, it may help them this year, but long term it's a pretty foolish move.

If you're right, I like this move. Cuz, I hate the C-chickens.

 

[DaBruinz]

I really really really dislike this trade for the Seahawks, especially since this is going to affect their ability to sign all of Chancellor, Thomas, and Sherman over the next two seasons.

And that is a bad thing for teams like the Pats how???

 

[DaBruinz]

Terrible move by Seattle.

This is exactly the same kind of short sighted move that closes the window of contenders quicker than it could be, and exactly why we saw the Colts, Patriots and Steelers able to maintain success over a long period of time.

-This limits their cap space by forcing them to give a big contract to Harvin, an injury prone player.
-This limits their cap space by not having a first round calibre player on a rookie contract
-This ties up resources on an injury prone older player.


Sure, it may help them this year, but long term it's a pretty foolish move.

If by "OLDER" player you mean a 4 year veteran who is only a year or 2 older than the players in the draft, OK. It's not like Harvin is 27 or 28 years old.

The difference between what a 1st round player's 1st year cap hit would be and Harvin's 1st year cap number will probably be around $5 Million. Clearly that is something that Seattle was willing to do.

As for injury prone. He's missed 9 games in 4 years. That is 1 fewer than Hernandez has missed in Hernandez's 3 years.

It's not as foolish as you make it out to be. Especially considering that he has proven NFL production.

 

[Deus Irae]

You're kidding, right?

Of course I'm not kidding.

As a Pats fan you outta know that future value is a major factor in how a (successful) team determines a players value, and ultimate worth, to the team.

In any event, judging a players value before he ever steps onto the field for the new team is nothing more than a shot in the dark prediction.

Whether a player is "worth" his contract is something you know at the time the contract is signed, because it's based on market value modified by player/team specific needs/issues. Whether he lives up to his contract is a different question, because that's based on future occurences. This is basic stuff.

It's a yes or no answer which I can't seem to find anywhere. Can you point it out to me perhaps?

Third time now:

sometimes you have to be willing to take a bad deal in order to improve your team

 

[DaBruinz]

HMMMM...Seattle didn't cheat for just tampering, right?

Care to explain how Seattle was "cheating"??? Harvin wasn't a free agent. And it's clear that the Seahawks got permission from the Vikings to discuss a contract.

 

[Brady6]

Harvin to 'Hawks

Terrible move by Seattle.

This is exactly the same kind of short sighted move that closes the window of contenders quicker than it could be, and exactly why we saw the Colts, Patriots and Steelers able to maintain success over a long period of time.

-This limits their cap space by forcing them to give a big contract to Harvin, an injury prone player.
-This limits their cap space by not having a first round calibre player on a rookie contract
-This ties up resources on an injury prone older player.


Sure, it may help them this year, but long term it's a pretty foolish move.

This is their current cap situation. They're actually setup well even with Harvin being extended http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/ and they will still will likely move Flynn off the books at some point this offseason.

My biggest concern for them would be whether or not Wilson can continue to have NFL success with him being a household name now.

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

Whether a player is "worth" his contract is something you know at the time the contract is signed, because it's based on market value modified by player/team specific needs/issues. Whether he lives up to his contract is a different question, because that's based on future occurences. This is basic stuff.

Huh, free agency has yet to start .... how would you know what Harvin's market value is?

Further, a players ultimate value can only be guessed at until such time as he's played games to determine it.

Third time now:

Yet you have still not answered my question. Simple yes or no answer.

Suppose that Harvin posts gaudy #'s and is an instrumental factor in allowing the Seahawks to win the next SB. Would you then consider Harvin to be too costly?

 

[Brady6]

Harvin to 'Hawks

Huh, free agency has yet to start .... how would you know what Harvin's market value is?

Further, a players ultimate value can only be guessed at until such time as he's played games to determine it.


Yet you have still not answered my question. Simple yes or no answer.

Suppose that Harvin posts gaudy #'s and is an instrumental factor in allowing the Seahawks to win the next SB. Would you then consider Harvin to be too costly?

I think a 1st round pick is very costly for any WR in the NFL outside of Calvin Johnson. Especially for a WR who has never had a 1000 yard receiving year.

 

[manxman2601]

I think a 1st round pick is very costly for any WR in the NFL outside of Calvin Johnson. Especially for a WR who has never had a 1000 yard receiving year.

Another way to put it though, is how many 24 year olds are there in the NFL that have already put up 4,000 yards of offense (besides QB's)?

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

I think a 1st round pick is very costly for any WR in the NFL outside of Calvin Johnson. Especially for a WR who has never had a 1000 yard receiving year.

It's only costly if Harvin doesn't produce.

Relying on past performance to judge a players value isn't always wise. Think Pats getting Wes Welker for a second. Would you think a 2nd rounder for Wes was good value given that Wes had never had more than a single TD catch and never had more than 700 yards receiving in a NFL season?

 

[ausbacker]

I think a 1st round pick is very costly for any WR in the NFL outside of Calvin Johnson. Especially for a WR who has never had a 1000 yard receiving year.

That seems like a helluva lot to give up for a player who hasn't had 100 receptions, 1,000 yards receiving or 10 touchdowns in a season. That may change in Seattle but on face value it looks steep.

 

[DolphinsX72]

It could be safe to say 49ers-Seahawks will be one of the most hyped matchups this coming season.

 

[Deus Irae]

Huh, free agency has yet to start .... how would you know what Harvin's market value is?

Because it was a deal completed before free agency and is covered, therefore, by deals already in place.

Further, a players ultimate value can only be guessed at until such time as he's played games to determine it.

Nonsense. As I noted, there's a difference between what a player is worth when signed/traded for/drafted/etc.... and whether or not the player's game lives up to the contract. In other words, there are two types of "worth", and you're trying to argue that you can't determine one "Market value" until you know the other "Subjective value", but it doesn't work that way.

Or, to put it another way.... a $20k car is a $20k car whether it lasts for 150,000 miles or 500,000 miles.

Yet you have still not answered my question. Simple yes or no answer.

I have answered it, multiple times, and it's not a simple yes or no answer.

Suppose that Harvin posts gaudy #'s and is an instrumental factor in allowing the Seahawks to win the next SB. Would you then consider Harvin to be too costly?

AGAIN............. and for the last time:

sometimes you have to be willing to take a bad deal in order to improve your team

 

[Rob0729]

A first and seventh this year and a mid-round 2014 pick for Harvin? Rather give up a first for a superior and more reliable player in Victor Cruz.