Why is nobody using common sense

[goz421]

I'm not going to defend Exponent's overall stuff, but they did address that and it wasn't lip service. They said that the NE rubbing procedure added 0.7 PSI to the ball, but that it dissipated within 15-20 minutes. They said that from when NE rubbed the balls to when the officials measured them at "check-in" was well over 20 minutes and therefore the effect would be irrelevant because it would be gone by the time the balls were measured.

 

[goz421]

They need and indeppendent scientist to refute the science part of the wells report becuase that is what is biased. That is the crux of the report. The text can be refuted as joking. The brady refusing phone can be refuted in many ways

 

[hambone1818]

I'm not going to defend Exponent's overall stuff, but they did address that and it wasn't lip service. They said that the NE rubbing procedure added 0.7 PSI to the ball, but that it dissipated within 15-20 minutes. They said that from when NE rubbed the balls to when the officials measured them at "check-in" was well over 20 minutes and therefore the effect would be irrelevant because it would be gone by the time the balls were measured.

Thanks, I saw the analysis but didn't read the breakdown of why it wasn't used in the psi calculations, but that does make sense.

 

[emoney_33]

Here is what the thread supposed to read before my 2yr old hit my phone;

Maybe I am off base here, but for the life of me I cannot understand the following two common sense points;

1) you cannot use the colts balls as a control group unless you know;
A. The balls reached equilibrium temp before measurement at the beginning of game as did the pats.
B. The balls were measured at the same time as the pats were at half time (what likely happened are the balls warmed up closer to room temp near the end of half)

2. What I still don't understand why nobody brings up the fact the ideal gas law accounts for most of the deflation of the pats ball. Are they stating the ball attendant removed ~.3 psi of air only for a couple of balls? This makes zero sense to me.

These two points adds major holes in my mind.

If you assume that all of the Patriots balls were very close to 12.5 and all of the colts balls were very close to 13 to start, and if you assume that all the balls reached equilibrium of around 70 degrees prior to initial measurements, and if you assume the outdoor temperature was no lower than 48 at any point (the high that day), and if you assume that the Patriots and Colts balls were at the same temperature outside during the game, and if you assume that they were used relatively the same, and if you assume that there were several minutes delay from bringing the balls in at half to measuring them, and if you assume they were measured rapidly in succession, and if you assume Ted Wells has no bias, well then yeah, the variability of the halftime measurements points towards some small amount of deflation after initial measurements.

It's not like we have to bend over backwards and assume 10 different premises JUST to reach the conclusion that someone *probably* let a tiny bit of air out of a few balls. This witch-hunt is absolutely insane.

 

[The Boston Patriot]

Not in anybody's job description these days.

 

[DaBruinz]

They need and indeppendent scientist to refute the science part of the wells report becuase that is what is biased. That is the crux of the report. The text can be refuted as joking. The brady refusing phone can be refuted in many ways

Umm.. The science actually supports the Patriots claims.. The CONCLUSIONS that Wells and Exponent made based on the science isn't supported by the science