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Where Should Hernandez Fit In?

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  1. mgteich

    mgteich PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Obviously our base backfield is Gronkowksi, Hernandez, Welker, Lloyd and Ridley. I would think that we would run this 60% of the time.

    Where should Hernandez fit in beyond the 2 TE set, if at all? As i said above, I would expect the 2nd TE reps to go up to 60% and the 3rd WR down to 40%.

    Q1) Would you expect the running game to be as effective with hernandez as a blocker instead of Fells?

    Q2) If Hernandez is to be on the field on more than 60% of the reps, whose reps should go down? I would think that we need to run a 3 WR set at least 40% of the time, perhaps not.

    Gronk 100%
    Welker 100%
    Lloyd 100%
    3rd WR 60%
    2nd TE 40% (includes straight running plays where both TE's are blockers)

    i'll ignore the very few 3 TE formations and also note that the RB is often a receiver.
     
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    I think Hernandez is the 2nd best player on this offense after Brady so I would fit him in wherever possible.
     
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    Our base offense is 2TE 2WR.
    You seem to want to sit Hernandez on 60% of the plays in order to play Branch??? Why would you do that? What possibly leads you to think that the coaching staff views Hernandez as worse than Branch?

    100% is not a good goal. We have enough depth to not burn out these guys. That is what happened with Welker that everyone went crazy misunderstanding. Gronk and Lloyd are durable and will get close to 100%. Hernandez should be close to 100%, when fully healthy, but also has shown some fragility so keeping him in the 80% range with Fells filling in makes sense.
    Welker is the 2nd most important player in this offense. That doesn't mean he should play 100% of the snaps. I think 75%-80% is about right. That keeps him fresh, that reduces the chance of injury. He makes us a better offense by being on the field, but a MUCH better offense by being fresh and on the field when most needed.
    We went into the year with a plan to reduce his workload to preserve him. The injuries haven't allowed that to continue, but as players get healthy it can happen again. His production will not even be affected.

    Expect
    Gronk 100
    Lloyd 90
    Welker 75
    Hernandez 80 (probably less right now until he is fully healthy)
    Fells 30
    Branch/Edelman 25

    something along those lines.
     
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    Is Gronk the only player that plays every snap after Brady?

    Pretty amazing to think about. I'm sure one of the OLs does too.
     
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    Hernandez is more than a TE for our offense though, we can also split him out wide or in the slot, wherever we can find a mismatch, Josh will find a way to get AH on the field. Percentage snaps is kind of misleading though. If a guy looks tired then sit him for a while so he can get a breather. Or if the play requires certan personnel then some guys are going to sit. It's not black and white the exact snap percentage. The Pats will goto the plays they believe will work and the plays will dictate the personnel package.
     
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    The only reason that works at all is that GRONK is effectively 1/2 TE, 1/2 OL.

    If he were running routes on every play, there's no way he'd be out there as much as he is.
     
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    Yup. Fit him in anywhere and everywhere you can.
     
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    Kong is not "half Tight End/Half O Line."

    The ultimate Tight End is already "Half O Line."

    And ~ for those of you scoring at home ~ Kong is The Ultimate Tight End.
     
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    Besides playing TE, he should take the majority of the 3rd WR reps. He is a superior WR to Branch and Edelman.
     
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    They're focused on Glamor Positions, Brother Doc.
     
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    Aaron The Navigator is a Wing Back.

    A Wing Back is an Hybrid's Hybrid: Wing Back, Slot End, Split End, and Full Back.

    A true Wing Back is extremely rare.

    And Aaron The Navigator is The Greatest WingBack in All The Land.

    Where do you fit in Aaron The Navigator??

    Where does a 600 pound Gorilla sit?? [​IMG]
     
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    I was never very good at math. Especially percentages! If he's open throw it to him and see what happens......
     
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    Jesus christ.
     
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    Am I the only one who thinks if AHern is 100%, that he should get some RB time? It worked out pretty well last year when we did it and it's not like defenses have suddenly figured out how to stop him. IIRC, Seattle's corners are big, so Ridley & Bolden would have a harder time running sweeps and pitches or any runs to the outside because they're there. Welker is a great blocker, but can you ask him to go up against someone who's 6'2 and 210?
     
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    One of our X's and O's guy should really lay out for everyone what makes Hernandez one of our top offensive weapons. I read a ton about the Patriots offense and "know' (or at least trust) that him being on the field is so dangerous, but I'd really like to understand the guts of it better.
     
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    Its a gimmick, not a game plan.
     
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    Nope.....Off the Grid is not Jesus Christ,but he did sleep at the Bethlehem Holiday Inn,last nite:rocker:
     
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    *Note: SOME RB time.
    I'm not saying line him up there in place of Ridley/Bolden. Just a few snaps to keep the defenses on their heels.
     
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    I know not many people wanna hear this but I think AH might take time off Welker during running situations to block those big corners. 2TE 2WR with Fells/Gronk and Lloyd/AH.
     
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    If they're running, it's not like it'll matter anyways. He won't be catching the ball.
     
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