Welker was never coming to the patriots

[flasox27]

When it comes to the NFL, "bigger, faster, and stronger" do not equal better. Decker's best season, in which he caught passes from Peyton Manning, looks average compared to what Welker has done in New England.

Welker is always open because he is smarter than the defense. Manning will discover that pretty quickly, he's the only other player in the league on Brady's level when it comes to intelligence. Manning will rely on him to pickup those crucial 3rd downs.

You also make it sound like his "established rapport" with Manning was something he worked over his entire career to establish, it came in Manning's first season back after missing a year. Why don't you think Welker establish a rapport just as quickly with Manning?

Let me add one more ability that Decker has over Welker is catching the ball. I don't doubt Welker's ability to get open for the 5 yard pass due to his initial quickness but I don't think Manning will be pleased when he has the all too often drops in clutch situations.
Have you considered that he put up the big numbers in terms of catches because the other wide outs we had since Moss left were poor. This will not be the case of Denver. We will see what happens this year. Somehow I think after the season, Welker is going to be the odd man out in Denver when the contracts for Decker and Thomas come up. Maybe then Welker can get the big money deal his agent promised him. LOL

 

[strngplyr]

Welker's "drops in clutch situations" are far over exaggerated.

 

[strngplyr]

Let me add one more ability that Decker has over Welker is catching the ball. I don't doubt Welker's ability to get open for the 5 yard pass due to his initial quickness but I don't think Manning will be pleased when he has the all too often drops in clutch situations.
Have you considered that he put up the big numbers in terms of catches because the other wide outs we had since Moss left were poor. This will not be the case of Denver. We will see what happens this year. Somehow I think after the season, Welker is going to be the odd man out in Denver when the contracts for Decker and Thomas come up. Maybe then Welker can get the big money deal his agent promised him. LOL

He put up big numbers with and without Moss, with and without a pair of ultra talented TE's who set individual records and records for a TE duo.

The players around him did not effect his numbers in any way.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Welker's "drops in clutch situations" are far over exaggerated.

The drops don't make him less of a player in my eyes.

The drops were not the singular reason why the team lost.

WW has come up "clutch" in a number of occasions over the years.

However, you can make an argument that if WW had caught both those passes, the team would have been in a better position to win each of those games.

 

[flasox27]

He put up big numbers with and without Moss, with and without a pair of ultra talented TE's who set individual records and records for a TE duo.

The players around him did not effect his numbers in any way.

Lets just see if he puts up big numbers in Denver as you predict. I doubt seriously that Manning will tolerate his drops as Brady did. As for his number of drops being overexagerated, feel free to check his ratio of drops to targets, you might be surprised. Regarding his performance in big games, in the Superbowl, he dropped the pass that would have in 95% of cases clinched the game and in the AFC championship game his drop cost us points and killed our momentum. Those are the facts sorry to say.
His apologists can and will make excuses but when we had Brown and Branch on the field those catches that led to Lombardis were made. As BB said stats are for losers and we know all too well what our record in big games with WW is.

 

[strngplyr]

Lets just see if he puts up big numbers in Denver as you predict. I doubt seriously that Manning will tolerate his drops as Brady did. As for his number of drops being overexagerated, feel free to check his ratio of drops to targets, you might be surprised. Regarding his performance in big games, in the Superbowl, he dropped the pass that would have in 95% of cases clinched the game and in the AFC championship game his drop cost us points and killed our momentum. Those are the facts sorry to say.
His apologists can and will make excuses but when we had Brown and Branch on the field those catches that led to Lombardis were made. As BB said stats are for losers and we know all too well what our record in big games with WW is.

You're blaming Welker for an offensive line that couldn't stop a nose-bleed. You're faulting Welker for Brady trying to play deepball with Moss too often. You're faulting Welker for Pollard landing on Gronkowski's ankle in an awkward fashion. You're blaming Welker for an offensive scheme that has too many players crowding the middle of the field. You're blaming Welker for a defense that allowed 80 yard drives when it mattered the most. You're blaming Welker for a non-existant pass rush. You're blaming Welker for Talib's pulled hamstring.

To cite our "record in big games with WW" is shifting all of the blame on him. Are you saying that our chances would have been better if Edelman or Slater were out there and Welker sat on the bench? Do you think Welker made our team worse?

We didn't lose any game because of Welker alone. The first offensive play of the 2011 superbowl was a Brady mental error ending our drive, giving the Giant's free points, and setting them up in decent field position. Is it Welker's fault that Tuck (I believe) came roaring off the edge?

Was Welker covering Boldin in the AFCCG? Did Welker knock Ridley out and force him to fumble? Did we lose that game because of Welker? Did we lose the 2009 Wild Card round because of Welker? He was injured, so you probably will blame him not playing for the loss ironically.

How about the 2010 Divisional game, are you going to blame Welker? BB made the decision to bench him during the most important game of the year to make a point. Welker's comments were harmless, BB was a fool for that. I bet its still Welker's fault we lost in your eyes.

Find me one big game you think we lost solely because of Welker and I promise you we can find a plethora of contributing reasons.

I'm not a Welker apologist, I don't forgive and forget his mistakes, but I'm not blind enough or ignorant enough to take the easy way out and place the entirity of the blame on him like some are so willing to do. It's pathetic and shortsighted.

 

[flasox27]

You're blaming Welker for an offensive line that couldn't stop a nose-bleed. You're faulting Welker for Brady trying to play deepball with Moss too often. You're faulting Welker for Pollard landing on Gronkowski's ankle in an awkward fashion. You're blaming Welker for an offensive scheme that has too many players crowding the middle of the field. You're blaming Welker for a defense that allowed 80 yard drives when it mattered the most. You're blaming Welker for a non-existant pass rush. You're blaming Welker for Talib's pulled hamstring.

To cite our "record in big games with WW" is shifting all of the blame on him. Are you saying that our chances would have been better if Edelman or Slater were out there and Welker sat on the bench? Do you think Welker made our team worse?

We didn't lose any game because of Welker alone. The first offensive play of the 2011 superbowl was a Brady mental error ending our drive, giving the Giant's free points, and setting them up in decent field position. Is it Welker's fault that Tuck (I believe) came roaring off the edge?

Was Welker covering Boldin in the AFCCG? Did Welker knock Ridley out and force him to fumble? Did we lose that game because of Welker? Did we lose the 2009 Wild Card round because of Welker? He was injured, so you probably will blame him not playing for the loss ironically.

How about the 2010 Divisional game, are you going to blame Welker? BB made the decision to bench him during the most important game of the year to make a point. Welker's comments were harmless, BB was a fool for that. I bet its still Welker's fault we lost in your eyes.

Find me one big game you think we lost solely because of Welker and I promise you we can find a plethora of contributing reasons.

I'm not a Welker apologist, I don't forgive and forget his mistakes, but I'm not blind enough or ignorant enough to take the easy way out and place the entirity of the blame on him like some are so willing to do. It's pathetic and shortsighted.

I see you enjoy setting up and knocking down straw men. Obviously, if the Pats are up or down by 20 points, individual plays by Welker are not responsible for the win or loss of games. When the game is tight and one play at that time makes the difference between a championship or not, he came up short repeatedly. I am sorry that he is not a clutch player because he is a great regular season player which I don't deny. Would the Pats be better with him in the regular season than DA probally yes and I guess that would satisfy you and the rest of his fans. I would rather have a lesser player during the regular season who rises to the occasion Like Troy Brown than Mr. Stats when the games is on the line. That is the difference between us and we will agree to diasagree as to which is more important.

 

[vyrago]

Welker's "drops in clutch situations" are far over exaggerated.

Frankly, I only remember two, but they were knives in the gut killers.

 

[Jackson 2]

Welker's "drops in clutch situations" are far over exaggerated.

Agreed. Except for two...

 

[flasox27]

Agreed. Except for two...

Unfortunately 120 catches in the regular season do not equal two drops in the playoffs.
Stats are for losers.

 

[IllegalContact]

He put up big numbers with and without Moss, with and without a pair of ultra talented TE's who set individual records and records for a TE duo.

The players around him did not effect his numbers in any way.

He never played with 2 young 1000 yard double digit td WR's......he will be a more traditional slot guy there...both Thomas and decker are due for contracts quite soon......look what that notion turned welker into when he wasn't getting his touches early last year ..... The 2 young guys will be worse

 

[supafly]

He never played with 2 young 1000 yard double digit td WR's......he will be a more traditional slot guy there...both Thomas and decker are due for contracts quite soon......look what that notion turned welker into when he wasn't getting his touches early last year ..... The 2 young guys will be worse

If you're saying that Welker's production will be down then I would fully agree. You also have to take into account the fact that he'll likely be taking away from some of Thomas and Decker's production too, and they both had something near 100 catches apiece last year. Those 2 guys are the bread and butter of the Manning passing attack, so I'm wondering how much Welker will actually be improvement-wise over Stokely last season, who had about 50 catches himself in the slot?

Even though Stokely was older, he still had quite a rapport with Manning, and produced quite nicely on a very reasonable and cheap deal.

I don't blame DEN one bit for upgrading the position in the least, especially for the price they got him for. I don't think it could be looked at as a bad signing at all, but I also wonder how much Welker will outproduce Stokely from last year? I'm expecting about 85 catches or so, which is still an awesome season, but I don't think he's getting his 125 catches like he did here either.

Denver is going to be quite a challenge for us in terms of competing for the conference crown. Hopefully our defense will improve and we'll finally see that stingy Patriot D again like in the past.

 

[flasox27]

I sgree fully with your points and would like to add that the perhaps unforeseen by product of adding WW was the loss of Dumervil. I think is the loss of an essential defensive player weakens the Bronco's more than the addition of an improved non essential player

 

[flasox27]

He never played with 2 young 1000 yard double digit td WR's......he will be a more traditional slot guy there...both Thomas and decker are due for contracts quite soon......look what that notion turned welker into when he wasn't getting his touches early last year ..... The 2 young guys will be worse

Absolutely correct sir! Guess who is going to be the odd man out with a $8 million cap figure next year ands the other two receivers to be signed. Perhaps then he can get as a 33 year old the 3 year $24 million contract he agent told him was out in the market

 

[JMarr]

I'm not a Welker apologist, I don't forgive and forget his mistakes, but I'm not blind enough or ignorant enough to take the easy way out and place the entirity of the blame on him like some are so willing to do. It's pathetic and shortsighted.

This contradicts everything you said in your post. Why should we "forgive and forget" mistakes by Hernandez, Lloyd, Branch, Ridley or Brady either? Bums.

I agree that some of the more extreme anti-Welker trolls here really overstate two "drops" [and SB46 wasn't even a drop]. And I find it next to impossible to believe that Welker's 2012 drops incensed BB so much that he essentially booted Welker. You could argue that there are parallels with Asante Samuel, but IMO Samuel's me-first attitude, focus on money, and aversion to tackling are why he's no longer a Patriot--not the fact that he wiffed on a crucial interception or blew the Tyree coverage.