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Patriots Pregame Thread Week 6: Texans @ your 1-4 Patriots

Pregame Discussion ahead of the LIVE game day discussion thread. The actual Game Thread will Open an hour ahead of kickoff.
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Well I guess that means Drake will be playing on Sunday.
To me this is just another example of the HC's failure. The goddam "plan" should have incorporated a considered timetable for introducing Maye to a starter's responsibilities. Instead, they chose to run an incompetent Brissett out there, installing Maye as backup, so that that very important decision is now left essentially up to chance: as soon as Brissiett either gets beat half to death or the fans rise in open revolt (The "mutiny" ain't among the players: it is the fans who are in mutiny), they will run Maye out there. They are allowing chance to make a decision they are too feckless to make in a responsible manner themselves. Mayo to this poiint is a people-pleasing nothingburger who apparently caught the owners' eye for qualities - such a nice guy!- which have nothing whatever to do with the skills one requires in a competent HC. Ridiculous. Embarrassing.
 
To me this is just another example of the HC's failure. The goddam "plan" should have incorporated a considered timetable for introducing Maye to a starter's responsibilities. Instead, they chose to run an incompetent Brissett out there, installing Maye as backup, so that that very important decision is now left essentially up to chance: as soon as Brissiett either gets beat half to death or the fans rise in open revolt (The "mutiny" ain't among the players: it is the fans who are in mutiny), they will run Maye out there. They are allowing chance to make a decision they are too feckless to make in a responsible manner themselves. Mayo to this poiint is a people-pleasing nothingburger who apparently caught the owners' eye for qualities - such a nice guy!- which have nothing whatever to do with the skills one requires in a competent HC. Ridiculous. Embarrassing.
Many of us have a different view.

There was a plan to start Maye as soon as was ready (and he was for Game 1), presuming that the OL has played together a bit, with a preliminary guess for Drake to start the MIA game at home.

Then came all the injuries to the OL with a different set of OL's every week.

Drake's start has been delayed. Last week, the OL was back to where they were in Game 1. A repeat this week should have Drake starting against JAX.
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I get it that folks look at WAS and wish that we had started Maye for Game 1. The situations are very different. Both teams were terrible. However, WAS had a very good Offense and we had a very good Defense. There was every reason to start a youngster QB with a top Offense. There was much, much less reason to start a youngster behind one of the very worst offenses in the NFL, including one the very worst OL's.
 
Many of us have a different view.

There was a plan to start Maye as soon as was ready (and he was for Game 1), presuming that the OL has played together a bit, with a preliminary guess for Drake to start the MIA game at home.

Then came all the injuries to the OL with a different set of OL's every week.

Drake's start has been delayed. Last week, the OL was back to where they were in Game 1. A repeat this week should have Drake starting against JAX.
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I get it that folks look at WAS and wish that we had started Maye for Game 1. The situations are very different. Both teams were terrible. However, WAS had a very good Offense and we had a very good Defense. There was every reason to start a youngster QB with a top Offense. There was much, much less reason to start a youngster behind one of the very worst offenses in the NFL, including one the very worst OL's.
That makes 100% sense. I could even get on board with that if the Patriots made the decision based on all that.
MY biggest issue is the Patriots constantly saying the offensive line had no bearing on when Maye started.
Which then left no reason to not start Maye.
 
The Jets are without a head coach.
Many of us have a different view.

There was a plan to start Maye as soon as was ready (and he was for Game 1), presuming that the OL has played together a bit, with a preliminary guess for Drake to start the MIA game at home.

Then came all the injuries to the OL with a different set of OL's every week.

Drake's start has been delayed. Last week, the OL was back to where they were in Game 1. A repeat this week should have Drake starting against JAX.
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I get it that folks look at WAS and wish that we had started Maye for Game 1. The situations are very different. Both teams were terrible. However, WAS had a very good Offense and we had a very good Defense. There was every reason to start a youngster QB with a top Offense. There was much, much less reason to start a youngster behind one of the very worst offenses in the NFL, including one the very worst OL's.
I was in favor of starting Brissett at the start of the season, but the criterion for when Maye would start ought to have been decided on a rational basis, not on a "play Brisset until he's crippled" basis. There should have been in place a legit back up, which would have allowed the starting date for Maye to have been decided on a rational basis with Maye's development in mind rather than on the basis of a crapshoot pertaining to Brissett's health. The outsized role in the matter of the failed o-line merely demonstrates another aspect of the team's (the Krafts') failure to manage the team responsibly: the lazy decision to leave in place Eliot Wolf, a man who had already demonstrated under Bill that he is an incompetent nepo punk. The cheapskate, unaccountably foolish hiring of Van Pelt offers another example of the team's incompetence in building a leadership group for the rebuild. Aside from all this, Mayo's incompetence has been obvious in other aspects of his performance to date. I will not go into the details, as they have been adduced ad nauseum by myself and many others. Perhaps you would care to point out where he has succeeded as head coach up to now. I would certainly give him the rest of the season to show what he can do: that is only fair, but I will be very surprised, based on this performance to date and upon the flimsy basis upon which he was hired, to see him make much of that opportunity.

This team is badly managed, has been so for several years at this point. I am quite surprised , frankly, that this obvious point is as much in contention as it is.
 
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Many of us have a different view.

There was a plan to start Maye as soon as was ready (and he was for Game 1), presuming that the OL has played together a bit, with a preliminary guess for Drake to start the MIA game at home.

Then came all the injuries to the OL with a different set of OL's every week.


Drake's start has been delayed. Last week, the OL was back to where they were in Game 1. A repeat this week should have Drake starting against JAX.
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I get it that folks look at WAS and wish that we had started Maye for Game 1. The situations are very different. Both teams were terrible. However, WAS had a very good Offense and we had a very good Defense. There was every reason to start a youngster QB with a top Offense. There was much, much less reason to start a youngster behind one of the very worst offenses in the NFL, including one the very worst OL's.
MG.

Where did you get this inside information from?

Looked at from the outside, this makes no sense to me.

Brissett was signed for $7 million on March 15. At that time, the team didn't know whom they would draft. Were they

(1) paying that $7 million for Brissett to start for the season while whoever they drafted learned the system and adjusted to the NFL?

Or

(2) paying $7 million for him to be a backup in case their O-line sucked and they needed to protect the new quarterback?

All of the outside evidence points to (1). But you assert that "there was a plan to start Maye as soon as he was ready"? What makes you so confident about (2)?
 
MG.

Where did you get this inside information from?

Looked at from the outside, this makes no sense to me.

Brissett was signed for $7 million on March 15. At that time, the team didn't know whom they would draft. Were they

(1) paying that $7 million for Brissett to start for the season while whoever they drafted learned the system and adjusted to the NFL?

Or

(2) paying $7 million for him to be a backup in case their O-line sucked and they needed to protect the new quarterback?

All of the outside evidence points to (1). But you assert that "there was a plan to start Maye as soon as he was ready"? What makes you so confident about (2)?
OK, you believer that they paid $8M for a poor backup QB to start for the entire seson.

OK, in that case, this was the worst decision made by the team during the off-season. Tannahill or many others were better choices if they knew that they were starting for the entire season.
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But this is easy to test. We'll just wait. Certainly, if you are right, there is no reason to start Maye at any point in this season, especially given the injuries to OL's.
 
Welp Maye is starting on Sunday. Guess we will see if he is ready. I "think" he is.
 
OK, you believer that they paid $8M for a poor backup QB to start for the entire seson.

OK, in that case, this was the worst decision made by the team during the off-season. Tannahill or many others were better choices if they knew that they were starting for the entire season.
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But this is easy to test. We'll just wait. Certainly, if you are right, there is no reason to start Maye at any point in this season, especially given the injuries to OL's.

On the contrary. It was indeed a very poor decision. Here is my post from 24 August.

The sad truth is that the Patriots have already made a BIG MISTAKE.

In March they said: let's sign an experienced, reliable back-up quarterback. He will:

1. Win us some games
2. Act as a mentor
3. Protect an inexperienced quarterback, especially if our O-line isn't strong

The trouble is that Brissett is so bad he won't win games.
His inaccuracy and slow decision-making will lose games and hold back the development of the offense.

As for the other two things, $7 million will buy you a lot of quarterback coaching (and you've already got an OC, a QB coach, a special offensive coaching assistant and lord knows what else -- how many more people does Maye need breathing down his neck?). And, if you needed a crash-test dummy to play the position, you had Mac Jones.

If it were me, I'd cut Brissett tomorrow and go with the other three quarterbacks on the roster. If you don't think Maye is ready to start and you don't have any confidence in your O-line, start Zappe. At least he's better than Brissett.

But this won't happen because it would involve whoever pushed for the signing (AVP?) admitting he made a mistake -- and that won't happen in an organization where everyone is new and under scrutiny.

The fact that they are about to start Maye is not a sign that they had a plan and are following it, as you claim. It is a sign that their plan has failed (as I predicted before the season). I have bolded the relevant part of my prediction.

You, on the other hand, claim things are going as planned. If only!
 


Not saying the Pats are going to win but the Texans are not world beaters. They are very good and will probably win but reading a lot of comments from "experts" make it seem like its going to be a replay of the 85-86 superbowl.

 
Our Receivers should be very happy especially Pop Douglas wouldn't shock me if he gets over 100yds receiving. Also H Henry have been quiet since Game 2 I bet Maye finds him. I think Maye have the ability to make our OL look a little better than they are also AVP should be able to run most of his Offense. I'm getting my popcorn Ready.

 


Not saying the Pats are going to win but the Texans are not world beaters. They are very good and will probably win but reading a lot of comments from "experts" make it seem like its going to be a replay of the 85-86 superbowl.

You can run on them and the offense has not clicked completely.
However, they are at the top of the NFL in pass defense and pressuring the QB and just made Josh Allen look like Zach Wilson and now facing a rookie in his first start. I see why some pundits could see that happening. It could go that way. I'm assuming AVP will be smart and run the ball a ton.
 
Our Receivers should be very happy especially Pop Douglas wouldn't shock me if he gets over 100yds receiving. Also H Henry have been quiet since Game 2 I bet Maye finds him. I think Maye have the ability to make our OL look a little better than they are also AVP should be able to run most of his Offense. I'm getting my popcorn Ready.

Texans have a great pass rush. Hopefully a lot of running, screens, quick outs, etc. this week. I think you can save your popcorn until next week.
 
Texans have a great pass rush. Hopefully a lot of running, screens, quick outs, etc. this week. I think you can save your popcorn until next week.
One-if: Wolf GM of the year still stands all their hopes are on Maye.

 
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