We Drafting a QB

[Toofy]

Trade 3 to Bears for #8 , Justin Fields and their 2nd rounder this year and 3rd rounder next year .

Bears get Caleb and MhJ in same draft .

We can get 2 OT and WR in top 35 and justin fields.

If bears do not agree to this , trade our 3rd to chargers 5th and their 2nd this year and 2nd next year .

 

[TommyD4207]

Trade 3 to Bears for #8 , Justin Fields and their 2nd rounder this year and 3rd rounder next year .

Bears get Caleb and MhJ in same draft .

We can get 2 OT and WR in top 35 and justin fields.

Where is all this love for Justin Fields coming from, suddenly? You all *saw* him play the last three years, right?

 

[Toofy]

Where is all this love for Justin Fields coming from, suddenly? You all *saw* him play the last three years, right?

The problem is we dunno if daniels is a game changer . His draftvstock is similar to fields and fields was not in a great placem considering the revival of Goff, mayfield and Smith in seahawks who know justin fields could be our drew Brees.

We lack so much in talent and we cannot put our young QB right away to play this year . So we punt on fields and if he screws up we draft high again next year . At least we have other trade assets that we got from our 3rd position.

 

[TommyD4207]

The problem is we dunno if daniels is a game changer . His draftvstock is similar to fields and fields was not in a great placem considering the revival of Goff, mayfield and Smith in seahawks who know justin fields could be our drew Brees.

We lack so much in talent and we cannot put our young QB right away to play this year . So we punt on fields and if he screws up we draft high again next year . At least we have other trade assets that we got from our 3rd position.

Then why not get even more trade assets and run it back with Mac Jones? Why get Justin Fields and win maybe 2 more games?

 

[KCSVEN]

Trade 3 to Bears for #8 , Justin Fields and their 2nd rounder this year and 3rd rounder next year .

Bears get Caleb and MhJ in same draft .

We can get 2 OT and WR in top 35 and justin fields.

If bears do not agree to this , trade our 3rd to chargers 5th and their 2nd this year and 2nd next year .

If you are trading down you need to maximize the return, this is a bad return, basically a 2nd this year and a 3rd next year for the right to draft the #1 prospect in the draft in MHJ? No way!.

Fields won't get you anything after 1 year as he'll be a free agent coming off his 4th bad year in a row.
Fields being the 23rd best QB means we are actually better, but not playoff better, and get like 7-8 wins and can't draft a top QB prospect next year.

If you are trading #3 you trade to a team desperate for MHJ or Daniels and you get a #1 pick this year, next year and some other picks. You can take a QB in the 3rd round and sign Brissett or someone similar for a year and maybe try to trade up for a QB next year using the extra one you now have.
Or you just draft MHJ and secure a stud #1 receiver for the long term (or draft Daniels if you love him).
The 2 tackles and WR you draft are more likely to be busts as they are good players, MHJ is as sure as it gets.

Taking on Fields makes no sense, he gives you no benefit short term or long term.

 

[JohnJH]

A trade up from 3 to 1 should not be ludicrously expensive, especially since pick 3 would be MHJ who is still a 1st overall pick-level talent. I bet the Pats could get that done with just sending this year’s 2nd. Granted, that’s still a pretty high pick, but you’d be able to get the specific QB you want. I wouldn’t do it, as the Pats need that pick too badly.

I would only do it if 1: The QB at #1 is one that they believe can be an absolute stud. And 2: They'd take our #1 pick this year and our 2nd round pick and a 4th or 5th round pick in next year's draft (as we could address Tackle in the 2nd round in this draft).

 

[JohnJH]

Trade 3 to Bears for #8 , Justin Fields and their 2nd rounder this year and 3rd rounder next year .

Bears get Caleb and MhJ in same draft .

We can get 2 OT and WR in top 35 and justin fields.

If bears do not agree to this , trade our 3rd to chargers 5th and their 2nd this year and 2nd next year .

That actually sounds good if the QB at #3 isn't going to be a stud.

 

[venecol]

Does he look like someone who has experienced enough to even know what he does not know in being a head coach? Buckle up.

I think that underestimating smart people is a mistake. Maybe it's just me.

 

[venecol]

If Caleb and Maye are gone and MHJ is there, do we pick Daniels over him?

Not sure I'm a fan of that. Pick the best available player.

BAP at a very important position.

QB is a very important position but so is WR for the Pats.

 

[mgteich]

Drafting MJ H at 3 and coming back for Nix or Daniel’s has to be The plan .

It should be a firing offense for someone to believe that we can draft a WR at 3 and somehow still get Daniels (or probably even Nix). Our second and a 2025 first would get us close to Daniels.

 

[venecol]

Position needs to be taken into account and when you consider Best available player. By pure best player logic, you could end up with a kicker in the first round if he’s a stud prospect. 2nd/third best quarterback is more valuable than best player at pretty much any other position.

The 33rdTeam had an article a year or so ago about positional values in the 1st round based on existing contracts, and 2nd contracts. The top positions w/ the greatest value were:
QB
LT
WR
CB

Not sure if LT & WR were reversed. That's why picking a G in the 1st was not considered good value or why you never pick a RB in the 1st.

If their QB is not there at #3, pick the BAP left, the WR.

 

[Love The Drake]

It should be a firing offense for someone to believe that we can draft a WR at 3 and somehow still get Daniels (or probably even Nix). Our second and a 2025 first would get us close to Daniels.

I think that would get it done if he falls out the top 10.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I don’t get the Daniels hate on this board at all. He’s the most accurate passer and by far the most explosive athlete at the position in the draft. Those numbers in the SEC are not an accident. He’s a better prospect than Lamar was coming out.

He's definitely not. Lamar was a better passer and runner. Daniels is allergic to the MOF while Lamar is one of the best anticipatory mof passers in the league. Opposites in that aspect. Daniels is better throwing deep/boundary but nothing else. Including pre/post snap. As a runner Daniels exposes himself to much bigger hits and isn't as elusive. He's 3 years older and was throwing to 1st round picks. I would hope his "stats" would look better but he's not close to Lamar. Or AR15 from last year.

 

[venecol]

Washington will give up next year's #1 to get Williams, Bears get MHJ at #2. Then Pats auction #3 or decide between Maye and Daniels. That's most likely scenario other than Bears trading Fields and taking Williams. How about Fields and #9 for #3?

That would be giving Fields a 1st RD value. No.

 

[mgteich]

I think that would get it done if he falls out the top 10.

So, is it a good idea to plan that Daniels falls out of the top 10?

BTW, that would mean no OT until the 3rd, a really, really bad idea.

 

[Tunescribe]

Trade 3 to Bears for #8 , Justin Fields and their 2nd rounder this year and 3rd rounder next year .

Bears get Caleb and MhJ in same draft .

We can get 2 OT and WR in top 35 and justin fields.

That would be great. Fingers crossed the Pats don't take a quarterback with that third pick.

 

[Love The Drake]

So, is it a good idea to plan that Daniels falls out of the top 10?

BTW, that would mean no OT until the 3rd, a really, really bad idea.

Upgrade O L coach sign some OT in free agency or trade a late rounder for a vet on a cash strapped team.

 

[Love The Drake]

Trade 3 to Bears for #8 , Justin Fields and their 2nd rounder this year and 3rd rounder next year .

Bears get Caleb and MhJ in same draft .

We can get 2 OT and WR in top 35 and justin fields.

If bears do not agree to this , trade our 3rd to chargers 5th and their 2nd this year and 2nd next year .

Wow this would be incredible.
I would make you a GM if you could pull that off.

 

[venecol]

Agreed! So I've pitched the idea what do you think about taking Marvin Harrison Jr. At #3, a LT at #33 , trading a 2nd for fields?.

We have two 2nds?

 

[venecol]

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I'm completely serious. He was better this year, a little. 86 passer rating to 78. But neither one of them is close to league average.

Looks like he got marginally better. Not like the jump Allen made from Yr 2 to Yr 3.