PATRIOTS TRAINING CAMP Training Camp Day 12 - Wednesday August 6 - Joint practice controlled scrimmage versus Washington Commanders.

[n1997y]

Speaking of high motor not equating to success, it's disappointing to see Keion White still be referred to as "erratic" this camp. I want to believe the potential is still there...

I'm not worried about it, it's camp. Now if he's erratic when the bullets fly for real I will be disappointed, but we're a month away from that.

For some context. Remember Chase's rookie year (after he didn't play his final college season), the sky was falling in Cincy during camp, Oh my god we made a mistake drafting him, he can't catch the ball... Goes on to have 1455 yds and 13 tds his rookie season. Weather it's White, or Campbell, or whatever name you want to add, it's camp and camp only.

This is an objective and brilliant post. The only way to improve this post is to additionally comment on the disappointment called Mapu. We will see but White and Mapu are on the clock. For reference, Barmore is not on the clock.

Is White really having an “erratic” camp? Or is that just some flack clickbait?

I saw that comment in some summary wrap up in the past day, forget which media flack wrote it but at the time my first reaction was that I hadn’t noticed reports to that effect, and wondering what I’ve missed or if it was pure bs to fill content under deadline.

I’ve been paying attention to reports about White. I’ve seen quite a bit of positive. Much of what I’ve seen has been about his battles with Campbell. The most erratic thing I’ve seen is that he wins some and Campbell wins some. Other than that I can’t recall seeing anything negative about White.

Is there anything more to this than White not dominating Campbell 100% of the time?

What have I missed?

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

Is White really having an “erratic” camp? Or is that just some flack clickbait?

I saw that comment in some summary wrap up in the past day, forget which media flack wrote it but at the time my first reaction was that I hadn’t noticed reports to that effect, and wondering what I’ve missed or if it was pure bs to fill content under deadline.

I’ve been paying attention to reports about White. I’ve seen quite a bit of positive. Much of what I’ve seen has been about his battles with Campbell. The most erratic thing I’ve seen is that he wins some and Campbell wins some. Other than that I can’t recall seeing anything negative about White.

Is there anything more to this than White not dominating Campbell 100% of the time?

What have I missed?

First I've read about it too, not sure what it's suppose to mean. Maybe it's because in the first week of camp he was noticeably dominating, and now he isn't? Who knows, but at the end of the day it's practice. Yes these guys are pros, but they get sick of practicing against the same guys everyday, and they get sick of camp in general, so I'm not too worried if White doesn't look like Lawrence Taylor on every camp snap.

 

[patfanken]

I love the optimism on Chism, BUT it really isn't likely for him to make another team's 53 man roster if he doesn't make it here. Think about it. Every other team in the league supposedly started with a better WR room than we did. Right? AND then in the off season between FA, the draft, and UDFA's were looking to upgrade that room. They also started camp with 10-12 WR's about 8 serious contenders and 2-4 camp bodies so you don't wear people out. And you end up with 5-7 filling out your room and ST's. You then invest over 2 months investing in all these guys teaching them your offense and practice time and reps in your system and language.

I right all this to explain that when it comes to those last guys on the WR roster bubble and filling in the PS. MOST of the time teams will keep those rosterbubble and PS guy who come from their own systems. It just makes sense.

I find it hard to believe that barring an injury Chism makes the 53. I find it HIGHLY likely that they will want him back for our PS. I DON'T see the possibility of another team offering him a spot on their 53. But more likely he could join another team's PS if he thinks he has a better shot at getting to their 53 later this year or next.

If you caught some of the clips of the Thursday preseason games, you saw back up QB's looking like stars and back up WR making plays. Hopefully we will see Chism and the others make some too. BUT everybody's got their "Chism" on their team, who is in a similar position and THEIR fans are also needlessly worried about losing them for their PS.

Is Chism that demonstrably better that they wouldn't rather take a guy who has been with them for 2 or 3 months, knows the offense, coaches and the team character already than to take a new guy who has to learn the whole thing all over.

The only way I see Chism makes this roster is if he can prove he is the best PR on the team. Me I'm hoping for Henderson to be the guy

 

[WhatJustHappened]

You will never get it if you don't watch Elliss repeatedly shoot the wrong rushing lane in 2024 leading to 30+ running plays in a row. If you watch Elliss' 2024 performance maybe you will get it.

You are SUCH A GENIUS, I'm SUCH a Dumbass.
I don't KNOW WHAT I saw, please give me old people help... I've become stupid, I need help...

GFY

 

[n1997y]

The only way I see Chism makes this roster is if he can prove he is the best PR on the team. Me I'm hoping for Henderson to be the guy

I’d rather see Chism at returner. Do not want to expose Henderson to that wear and tear in addition to playing him on as many snaps at RB as I’d like. Would much rather let Chism return punts, kicks too, unless he is significantly deficient compared to Henderson. And I don’t think he will be. It’s just that to me the incremental value from having Henderson return kicks doesn’t justify the cost. He’s going to get lots of mileage at RB/WR, that’s enough on his plate.

 

[n1997y]

First I've read about it too, not sure what it's suppose to mean. Maybe it's because in the first week of camp he was noticeably dominating, and now he isn't? Who knows, but at the end of the day it's practice. Yes these guys are pros, but they get sick of practicing against the same guys everyday, and they get sick of camp in general, so I'm not too worried if White doesn't look like Lawrence Taylor on every camp snap.

I wonder if it’s Giardi’s payback for this:

"To me, (Keion White) is a player that is authentically enigmatic and unconventional," Curran said. "Just the cut of his jib is entirely different, and it is, after watching him now in our third year, that's who he is. He never wavers. I admire his authenticity. I admire the fact that he does not bend the knee and say what he presumes the media wants to hear or his coaching staff wants to hear. He's gonna say exactly what is on his mind."

Perry seconded Curran's take on White's authenticity.

"He has no interest in giving you what he thinks you want," Perry said. "I think some guys are trying to play the game and it's just their nature -- there's guys who genuinely want to, 'Hey, you're trying to get a story here, I'm going to try to help you out.'

"That's not there with Keion White. And all the power to him. It doesn't have to be there for him. That's not necessarily part of his job. He's always available, he's always willing to talk. I'll give him that. But I think unconventional is the right word."

Keion White's 'unconventional' attitude stands out on Day 3 of camp

 

[Dec54]

No. You stated there was a 6 Team “bidding war”, I only asked you to link facts. It’s called credibility.

Does it really matter, we know he was wanted by other teams, was it six, don't know, don't care

 

[WhatJustHappened]

I've been a fan of KW since day one.
He's a fkn BEAST, and actually had the balls to laugh at last year's crew... He KNEW they didn't know WTF they were doing.
Y'all going to sit on him... he's probably going to be REALLY GOOD.
This is MHO, but it's really something I expect.
The contract will be BIG in a few years...

 

[Mike the Brit]

Camp body. Hoping Larison can make some strides and be the the 4th back

Not a single mention of Terrell Jennings this training camp, but, if you want a running back who will block in pass protection, he's the one.

 

[Dec54]

I’d rather see Chism at returner. Do not want to expose Henderson to that wear and tear in addition to playing him on as many snaps at RB as I’d like. Would much rather let Chism return punts, kicks too, unless he is significantly deficient compared to Henderson. And I don’t think he will be. It’s just that to me the incremental value from having Henderson return kicks doesn’t justify the cost. He’s going to get lots of mileage at RB/WR, that’s enough on his plate.

I agree, exposing Henderson to injury on ST is just not worth it. He is far to valuable to the offence to risk him getting injured on ST.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

BTW, I Don't think Campbells haters realize just HOW GOOD he's been in his 1st go against top tier DL.
It's better to bash the rookie, and be smarter than everyone else, saying "I told you" Is like a fkn drug.. it's pathetic.
instead of paying attention, and give him some time.

BAH

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Need to be RIGHT instead of caring about the TEAM.
WHO should they have drafted, Membou the RT, Simmons off a bad Pettella?
Wtf do you ****s think. Tet,

 

[signbabybrady]

The only way I see Chism makes this roster is if he can prove he is the best PR on the team. Me I'm hoping for Henderson to be the guy

I’d rather see Chism at returner. Do not want to expose Henderson to that wear and tear in addition to playing him on as many snaps at RB as I’d like. Would much rather let Chism return punts, kicks too, unless he is significantly deficient compared to Henderson. And I don’t think he will be. It’s just that to me the incremental value from having Henderson return kicks doesn’t justify the cost. He’s going to get lots of mileage at RB/WR, that’s enough on his plate.

I agree, exposing Henderson to injury on ST is just not worth it. He is far to valuable to the offence to risk him getting injured on ST.

First Marcus Jones is our best punt returner and it's by a wide margin. Nothing I've heard from him or Vrabel make me think he won't still be our PRer.

It does sound like there is a very good chance that Henderson will be returning kicks for us.

I have not heard much about Chism running with the top units at PR, KR, nor WR (I think maybe 1 or 2 series with Maye).

He'll need to pull a Jules and return one to the house to have a chance at winning either.

 

[Zuma]

 

[Ring 6]

I love the optimism on Chism, BUT it really isn't likely for him to make another team's 53 man roster if he doesn't make it here. Think about it. Every other team in the league supposedly started with a better WR room than we did. Right? AND then in the off season between FA, the draft, and UDFA's were looking to upgrade that room. They also started camp with 10-12 WR's about 8 serious contenders and 2-4 camp bodies so you don't wear people out. And you end up with 5-7 filling out your room and ST's. You then invest over 2 months investing in all these guys teaching them your offense and practice time and reps in your system and language.

I right all this to explain that when it comes to those last guys on the WR roster bubble and filling in the PS. MOST of the time teams will keep those rosterbubble and PS guy who come from their own systems. It just makes sense.

I find it hard to believe that barring an injury Chism makes the 53. I find it HIGHLY likely that they will want him back for our PS. I DON'T see the possibility of another team offering him a spot on their 53. But more likely he could join another team's PS if he thinks he has a better shot at getting to their 53 later this year or next.

If you caught some of the clips of the Thursday preseason games, you saw back up QB's looking like stars and back up WR making plays. Hopefully we will see Chism and the others make some too. BUT everybody's got their "Chism" on their team, who is in a similar position and THEIR fans are also needlessly worried about losing them for their PS.

Is Chism that demonstrably better that they wouldn't rather take a guy who has been with them for 2 or 3 months, knows the offense, coaches and the team character already than to take a new guy who has to learn the whole thing all over.

The only way I see Chism makes this roster is if he can prove he is the best PR on the team. Me I'm hoping for Henderson to be the guy

Agree. WRs not good enough to draft but have some skills and potential are all over the place. Chism is not really different than any of the others.
Just to be in an NFL camp you have to have the ability to make plays.
Sometimes it seems like people believe a guy who shouldn’t make a team is incapable of making a play. We see it all the time. Baker makes a TD catch in practice and suddenly he gets it, his stock is rising, he’s gonna make the team. He wouldn’t be here if he couldn’t do that. It’s doing it consistently. It’s not the ability to make a play, they all have that, it’s the flaws that keep them off a roster.
That’s why the preseason hero’s who make 3-4 catches against future physical ed teachers get cut and don’t get signed by another team.

As you often say Ken you have to be a damn good football player to be in a 90 man roster, but you have to be the best of the best to be on the field.

As far as Chism, he will earn it not earn a job on special teams. He has a real opportunity to show he can be a good return man and also cover kicks and play on all the special teams. His WR career is based upon a unique and less than ideal set of skills and those won’t get him in a roster, but getting on a roster through special teams and then getting an opportunity to carve out a wr role is his path.

I think Edelman is a good example. Out of people with skill sets equal to his very few end up on an NFL roster. That is skillset minus the brain and the drive and effort.
It took Edelman making the team as a special teams player to use his brain, drive and motor to carve out a WR role. The odds when he showed up for his 1st camp that he would become a starting WR and an integral piece if a SB champ at WR were minuscule. But Edelman seized the opportunity he wouldn’t have gotten if he didn’t make the team on special teams.

 

[Love The Drake]

Agree. WRs not good enough to draft but have some skills and potential are all over the place. Chism is not really different than any of the others.
Just to be in an NFL camp you have to have the ability to make plays.
Sometimes it seems like people believe a guy who shouldn’t make a team is incapable of making a play. We see it all the time. Baker makes a TD catch in practice and suddenly he gets it, his stock is rising, he’s gonna make the team. He wouldn’t be here if he couldn’t do that. It’s doing it consistently. It’s not the ability to make a play, they all have that, it’s the flaws that keep them off a roster.
That’s why the preseason hero’s who make 3-4 catches against future physical ed teachers get cut and don’t get signed by another team.

As you often say Ken you have to be a damn good football player to be in a 90 man roster, but you have to be the best of the best to be on the field.

As far as Chism, he will earn it not earn a job on special teams. He has a real opportunity to show he can be a good return man and also cover kicks and play on all the special teams. His WR career is based upon a unique and less than ideal set of skills and those won’t get him in a roster, but getting on a roster through special teams and then getting an opportunity to carve out a wr role is his path.

I think Edelman is a good example. Out of people with skill sets equal to his very few end up on an NFL roster. That is skillset minus the brain and the drive and effort.
It took Edelman making the team as a special teams player to use his brain, drive and motor to carve out a WR role. The odds when he showed up for his 1st camp that he would become a starting WR and an integral piece if a SB champ at WR were minuscule. But Edelman seized the opportunity he wouldn’t have gotten if he didn’t make the team on special teams.

Troy Brown also fits that mold.

 

[Ring 6]

I agree, exposing Henderson to injury on ST is just not worth it. He is far to valuable to the offence to risk him getting injured on ST.

This is that old argument. I disagree.
Why do you want dynamic ball carriers? Do get them opportunities for big plays. A punt return is a lot like a screen pass. Should we not throw screen passes to Henderson because he’s too valuable? That is exactly what his value is, to break big plays in the open field, and one of the best chances is on a punt return. Is he better used getting that opportunity or running into the C/G gap and 2nd and 9?
There also is no discernible evidence that punt returning had a high injury rate.

 

[Ring 6]

Troy Brown also fits that mold.

Yes, absolutely. Welker too.
The problem is though for every one of them there are 100 who don’t make it.

 

[Real fan 02]

Williams is a tick faster.
Baker is a tick faster on the 10 yard split, a tick slower at 20 yards, and drops off at 40.

Those three are all fast enough to stress the coverage. Henderson has the advantage of matching up against LB or safety. Even Larison is quick enough to make those favorable matchups.

Correct. My post was basically at the RB position he possesses elite speed and quickness that he has to be on the field alot. Even as a rookie. Josh will manage him so he doesn't get worn out during the season. He gives me Gibbs vibes!

 

[Real fan 02]

Woodhead wasn’t a feature back

He was. Depends on what you consider feature.. he had 1,000 all purpose yards.. in 2010 sounds like a feature back to me..