Trade Mankins now!

[Synovia]

I used to be able to get into the CBA itself on the NFLPA site, but that seems to be off limits to the general public now. I did find this though:

Uncapped years would actually limit free agency

Hrm. I'm not really sure how to read that. It almost sounds like Kirwan is saying that were the CBA not opted out of, it would have been 4 for 2010 and 5 for 2011, and is now 6 for 2010, without saying what 2011 is.

That wouldn't really clarify anything though, so I'm going to assume you're right.

 

[jmt57]

He already said he's coming back week 10.

Not sure what happens if BB decides to put him on the inactive list like he did with Glenn in 2001.

But if he plays after week 10, he can't be franchised.

I think it's just the opposite.

If he plays after week 10 then he must be under contract, which would mean that the Pats would have the option of franchising him.

If he doesn't play, then he's not under contract, which means the Pats would not be able to franchise him.

 

[Synovia]

But if he plays after week 10, he can't be franchised.

He most certainly can be franchised if he plays. Most guys who hold out negotiate that they can't be as terms to coming back. If Mankins holds out till week 10, hes not going to have the leverage Asante had, because Asante was willing to come back week 1.

 

[Synovia]

If he doesn't play, then he's not under contract, which means the Pats would not be able to franchise him.

I'm not sure thats actually true, but again, its tough to tell without seeing the actual contract language. Its totally possible that the language is in such a manner that if he doesn't accrue a year, hes still taggable.

 

[DW Toys]

Absolutely incorrect. Unfortunately many, including espn's Chris Mortensen, have been saying exactly that - that Mankins needs to play those six games in order to become a free agent. Sadly many others have said/repeated the same misinformation.

Mankins has five years of accrued service time. The rules for an uncapped 2010 were that a player needed six years to become an unrestricted free agent. The rules for an uncapped 2011 are five years to become an unrestricted free agent. Prior to that the previous CBAs (2009 and before) permitted a player to become an unrestricted free agent after four seasons.

So if there is no new CBA, Mankins is an unrestricted free agent. If on the other hand there is a new CBA, then the NFLPA would have to agree to lengthening the amount of time to becoming an unrestricted free agent by not one, but two years beyond what it had been in previous CBAs; I just don't see why they would agree to do that.


So the bottom line is that, no, Mankins does not have to play this year to become an unrestricted free agent.

Not quite true and a bad ending scenario. They still hold his rights. He cannot negotiate with anyone so unless he has permission or it would be tampering. The Pats will play hard ball until they have some type of agreement to allow him to seek a trade. He is losing $3m+ by sitting on his fat ass although he can't be fined because he is not under contract. His agent gets 3%, so having him sit out is as stupid for the agent. He is also now considered hurting his Team mates. His value decreases next year it is true. Pending any new CBA rules, he can and will be franchised i.e it is still a Mexican standoff and Mankins is betting the new CBA does not include a stipulation about he and Jackson or an update on present terms.

If not you could have Peyton Manning if he signed an extension, quit work next year. Sit out and sign for whatever he could get the year after without compensation.
DW Toys

 

[Dragda]

I do not understand what the different is between a unrestricted and restricted free agent is? and can a free agent be something else ?
We do not have anything like this in Denmark, so it is quite confusing

It doesn't help if you live in the United States. It's still confusing.

(I love Denmark, by the way)

 

[Synovia]

If not you could have Peyton Manning if he signed an extension, quit work next year. Sit out and sign for whatever he could get the year after without compensation.
DW Toys

Peyton Manning isn't an RFA, so this has absolutely nothing to do with him.

 

[mcsully]

I'm not fully understanding the point of why the Pats can't franchise him.. He comes back or holds out, they still have the ability to franchise him..

 

[jmt57]

I'm not sure thats actually true, but again, its tough to tell without seeing the actual contract language. Its totally possible that the language is in such a manner that if he doesn't accrue a year, hes still taggable.

I'm not fully understanding the point of why the Pats can't franchise him.. He comes back or holds out, they still have the ability to franchise him..

You're right, my mistake. I believe they should be able to still franchise Mankins if they so desire - unless there is some wording somewhere about not being able to franchise a player that sat out for a year that I'm not aware of.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I'm not fully understanding the point of why the Pats can't franchise him.. He comes back or holds out, they still have the ability to franchise him..

There are differing interpretations by us amateurs as to the status of a player with his years of service and the effect of the CBA expiring. I would not take a sportswriter's word on this as Miguel regularly corrects them on related issues. Without someone with good legal understanding reading the precise CBA language about this unprecidented year assuming it's different, I am now agnostic.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

Nope, I heard that players can't be franchised again if he returns after week 10.

Because what's the point of coming back after week 10 if you're going to be franchised again?

I don't know where to look but if somebody wants to confirm or correct me on this than that would be great.

edit: My bad, I completely forgot that Mankins was a RFA and not franchised. If he's a UFA, I believe the Pats can franchise him.

 

[mcsully]

Nope, I heard that players can't be franchised again if he returns after week 10.

Because what's the point of coming back after week 10 if you're going to be franchised again?

I don't know where to look but if somebody wants to confirm or correct me on this than that would be great.

edit: My bad, I completely forgot that Mankins was a RFA and not franchised. If he's a UFA, I believe the Pats can franchise him.

The actual point of coming back is so the player can accrue a year of service

 

[Synovia]

Nope, I heard that players can't be franchised again if he returns after week 10.

Because what's the point of coming back after week 10 if you're going to be franchised again?

I don't know where to look but if somebody wants to confirm or correct me on this than that would be great.

edit: My bad, I completely forgot that Mankins was a RFA and not franchised. If he's a UFA, I believe the Pats can franchise him.

Because he acrues a year of service, and the franchise tag is much higher than his RFA tag

 

[BlueThunder]

Mankins won't play another down as a Patriot :bricks:

 

[eldoce]

Mankins won't play another down as a Patriot :bricks:

You're right.

 

[TBradyOwnsYou]

You're right.

yes, wikipedia using bleacherreport as a source... must be true... wait a second, going to edit it to say Mankins is running for President!

 

[eldoce]

yes, wikipedia using bleacherreport as a source... must be true... wait a second, going to edit it to say Mankins is running for President!

what a crazy coincidence, cause apparently he is!

 

[rookBoston]

No other team has stepped up saying they're willing to pay that much either.
If another team stepped up and said they'd pay Mankins, and Mankins said yes I fully believe he'd be gone within the hour. And I think at this point we'd take a 3rd rounder for him.

No other team has stepped up staying they're willing to pay that much either, because if they did, it would be tampering. Until he signs his tender, the Patriots don't own his rights either. If Mankins wants to be traded, he should do what Matt Cassel did in the same situation: sign his tender and demand to be traded. Actually, he should have done that in June... or May.

 

[Simkin]

at this point of rebuild and prob a dink and dunk offense i ll take a low first or a high second

 

[Simkin]

and yes, I know that no one ll offer nothing