This is my first off season on the forum...

[patchick]

Patchick and Patjew sittin' in a tree....k-i-s-s-i-n-g


years later, a bunch of Patkids run amok on Patsfans.com

man, you just offer a guy a bite of your hamantaschen and before you know it everybody's talking...

 

[patsox23]

Patsox, you are both so right and so wrong at the same time. I started posting here last fall, but have been a lurker for over 2 years, just for info. This site is everything you said, and yet it is also the bullseye for everything hysteric, both at the same time. Off season and early FA has always brought the same sort of hysterics. Its part of the game. We will see a bunch of new posters (mostly young and or fantasy league types) who will register, log in and wail in agony at our lack of early big splash moves. They will soon be gone and we will no longer hear from them again. Has happened every year for the last two I have been reading, and now its happening again.

shirtsleeve nails it. You're right - I AM right and wrong. This does occasionally happen, and it's almost always around this time of year. Newbies come in and taint the place for a couple of months and then move on. Glad Patjew isn't one of them.

 

[Patjew]

man, you just offer a guy a bite of your hamantaschen and before you know it everybody's talking...

You had me at "hamantaschen".

 

[T-ShirtDynasty]

You had me at "hamantaschen".

Classic.

 

[PatsSteve1]

Some folks are just getting frustrated with the lack of FA signings of either the Patriots own FA's or anyone else's. Just taking a "in Bill We Trust" attitude, IMO, is like saying you have no mind of your own. It's not like every year has been a FA succes story. Both last year and 2002 left a lot to be desired. While it's not the Patriots way from years past with BB and Pioli to big big early players in FA, in those years the Patriots didn't have almost 17 million in cap space either. If it turns out they use that space to redo some of thier own core guys to extensions, sign a few helpful FA's late and do well in the draft, all could be OK. It's tough to see all the FA's that're getting signed without getting antsy about it. The idea that the Patriots would win the Super Bowl every year because we have BB, Brady, etc. was fantasy fromn the start anyway.

 

[T-ShirtDynasty]

Some folks are just getting frustrated with the lack of FA signings of either the Patriots own FA's or anyone else's. Just taking a "in Bill We Trust" attitude, IMO, is like saying you have no mind of your own.

I totally understand what you're saying, but I disagree.

To me... the "In BB We Trust" mantra doesn't say 'I have no mind of my own'. To me it says no matter how much I dig, read, and learn, I will NEVER know anywhere near what Belichick and Pioli know.

I will never know how a player in the draft will truly fit in with the plan for the Patriots this year, or next year, or five years after that. Hell, I don't even know what the plan is. None of us do.

I will never truly know the state of the roster at hand. Is Michael McGrew (picking an unproven WR at random) just training camp fodder, or has he somehow shown the spark that tells BB that there's a Givens-like light at the end of the tunnel that nobody else saw? I don't know, and neither does anyone else here.

There's just so much we as fans don't know, won't know, and can't know. All those things which we don't know, by necessity, our management/coaching staff DOES know. So it comes down to the question, who do you best trust to handle the things that, as a simple outside observer and fan, you aren't privy to? Can there be any other answer than Bill Belichick?

No matter who's in the driver's seat, we'll NEVER have all the information, all we'll have is speculation on our part. So the question becomes, to me, who among all the NFL coaching and management, do you trust to make decisions based on information you and I don't have? Personally, the answer there is, "In Bill Belichick I Trust". Above all others.

Is the BB/SP team infallable? Are they perfect? Duane Starks and a bevy of others testify, "HELL NO!". Do I think there's anyone better at making these decisions based on information I don't have? Hell no.

I'm no sheep... but In Bill Belichick I Trust.

 

[Zuma]

Is the BB/SP team infallable? Are they perfect? Duane Starks and a bevy of others testify, "HELL NO!". Do I think there's anyone better at making these decisions based on information I don't have? Hell no.

I'm no sheep... but In Bill Belichick I Trust.

Amen ......

 

[patsfan55]

Thanks dude.

Put the emphasis on "pat" and not "jew" and it will sound better.

And BTW, do you think BB is slipping by not signing more Jews. Re-sign Miller now!

hell ya

we really dont have a whole lot of great athletes
but we can always lean on sandy koufax and hank greenberg

and in town the best has prob been gabe kapler (thats kinda sad)
but youk could step it up

btw, is jay cutler jewish?
cuz thats my mom's madein name
which is actually why im a big fan
my first name is jay, and my mom's maiden name is cutler, kinda funny

 

[patsfan55]

so i mightve answered my own question about jay cutler, if hes jewish or not

"...Comes from Santa Claus, a small south Indiana town where Christmas season is big happening; raised in Christmas Village subdivision... Town also home of popular Holiday World Amusement Park... Family participates in spectacular holiday light show that draws viewers from surrounding states... Enjoys hunting and fishing with father..."

ya almost def not jewish
ENJOYS HUNTING AND FISHING
def not jewish

 

[Captain Cliche]

I totally understand what you're saying, but I disagree.

To me... the "In BB We Trust" mantra doesn't say 'I have no mind of my own'. To me it says no matter how much I dig, read, and learn, I will NEVER know anywhere near what Belichick and Pioli know.

I will never know how a player in the draft will truly fit in with the plan for the Patriots this year, or next year, or five years after that. Hell, I don't even know what the plan is. None of us do.

I will never truly know the state of the roster at hand. Is Michael McGrew (picking an unproven WR at random) just training camp fodder, or has he somehow shown the spark that tells BB that there's a Givens-like light at the end of the tunnel that nobody else saw? I don't know, and neither does anyone else here.

There's just so much we as fans don't know, won't know, and can't know. All those things which we don't know, by necessity, our management/coaching staff DOES know. So it comes down to the question, who do you best trust to handle the things that, as a simple outside observer and fan, you aren't privy to? Can there be any other answer than Bill Belichick?

No matter who's in the driver's seat, we'll NEVER have all the information, all we'll have is speculation on our part. So the question becomes, to me, who among all the NFL coaching and management, do you trust to make decisions based on information you and I don't have? Personally, the answer there is, "In Bill Belichick I Trust". Above all others.

Is the BB/SP team infallable? Are they perfect? Duane Starks and a bevy of others testify, "HELL NO!". Do I think there's anyone better at making these decisions based on information I don't have? Hell no.

I'm no sheep... but In Bill Belichick I Trust.

Right on. For me it's the chemistry part we will never get...and that is the hidden factor...one of the Pats edges. Keith traylor's release was a real head scratcher until you hear 6 months later he was a real a-hole...guy's saying Brian Cox will not be missed. Willlie telling the young guys to "stay humble". Ex players saying they miss the Pats because the were a great bunch of guys and they never got an offer to return, but the organization did not release that news so they could get a good deal with another team. Things like that.

 

[Bostonian1962]

Nice post! Yes, this crap happens every year. It happened when Damien Woody left (do some people still think making him (then) the highest paid guard in NFL history was a great move by Detroit?). It happened with Ted Washington, who took the money, and played two losing seasons under Al Davis. It happened with Joe Andruzzi.

Now I suppose there will be morons out here who think the Pats should have paid nearly $5M a season for their number two receiver.

All I know is before the seasons that lead to Pats SBowl victories #2 and 3, we heard this same berating of the incompetant Patriots brass. I laugh at it now, just like I did then.

 

[Pats67]

I totally understand what you're saying, but I disagree.

To me... the "In BB We Trust" mantra doesn't say 'I have no mind of my own'. To me it says no matter how much I dig, read, and learn, I will NEVER know anywhere near what Belichick and Pioli know.

I will never know how a player in the draft will truly fit in with the plan for the Patriots this year, or next year, or five years after that. Hell, I don't even know what the plan is. None of us do.

I will never truly know the state of the roster at hand. Is Michael McGrew (picking an unproven WR at random) just training camp fodder, or has he somehow shown the spark that tells BB that there's a Givens-like light at the end of the tunnel that nobody else saw? I don't know, and neither does anyone else here.

There's just so much we as fans don't know, won't know, and can't know. All those things which we don't know, by necessity, our management/coaching staff DOES know. So it comes down to the question, who do you best trust to handle the things that, as a simple outside observer and fan, you aren't privy to? Can there be any other answer than Bill Belichick?

No matter who's in the driver's seat, we'll NEVER have all the information, all we'll have is speculation on our part. So the question becomes, to me, who among all the NFL coaching and management, do you trust to make decisions based on information you and I don't have? Personally, the answer there is, "In Bill Belichick I Trust". Above all others.

Is the BB/SP team infallable? Are they perfect? Duane Starks and a bevy of others testify, "HELL NO!". Do I think there's anyone better at making these decisions based on information I don't have? Hell no.

I'm no sheep... but In Bill Belichick I Trust.

That's upper deck material. Well done.

 

[Dragda]

Nope, sorry, doesn't work for me since I sneeze with the accent on the first sylable. ('AAAAAAAAAAAAA-chooo'.. I'm a big in the wind-up whereas the wife is big in the delivery, she goes 'aaaa-CHOOOOOO')

But thanks for trying.:singing:

I sneeze so freaking loud it wakes up the neighbors. And I live in the country.

 

[smg93]

I sneeze so freaking loud it wakes up the neighbors. And I live in the country.

I seriously hope that you do NOT work for a Bomb Disposal Unit.

 

[marty]

the BB/SP team infallable? Are they perfect? Duane Starks and a bevy of others testify, "HELL NO!". Do I think there's anyone better at making these decisions based on information I don't have? Hell no.

I'm no sheep... but In Bill Belichick I Trust.

Excellent post T! I was strangely comforted when I heard that Pioli had predicted, almost to the dollar, what would be the higest offer to Givens!
People need to get a grip and understand that part of being multi SB champions for consecutive years will create a huge turnover in rosters. I'd be curious to know what other 7th round WR has gotten this kind of deal in his first FA move? I can't wait to see what Neal gets if he signs elsewhere. In the meantime I'll continue to enjoy watching our FO and scouting team do their thing!

 

[Patjew]

Is the BB/SP team infallable? Are they perfect? Duane Starks and a bevy of others testify, "HELL NO!". Do I think there's anyone better at making these decisions based on information I don't have? Hell no.

I'm no sheep... but In Bill Belichick I Trust.

Fantastic post. Could not agree more, FWIW.

 

[Mike the Brit]

PatJew, come stop by the draft forum. It's a relatively rant-free zone, suitable for geeking out on combine results and positional analysis.

Hope you had a good Purim, by the way.

Psst ... keep it quiet -- reading that is what's been keeping my blood-pressure from going off the scale.

 

[shmessy]

so i mightve answered my own question about jay cutler, if hes jewish or not

"...Comes from Santa Claus, a small south Indiana town where Christmas season is big happening; raised in Christmas Village subdivision... Town also home of popular Holiday World Amusement Park... Family participates in spectacular holiday light show that draws viewers from surrounding states... Enjoys hunting and fishing with father..."

ya almost def not jewish
ENJOYS HUNTING AND FISHING
def not jewish

About as Jewish as Minxi501!

 

[marty]

Psst ... keep it quiet -- reading that is what's been keeping my blood-pressure from going off the scale.

:agree: Best reading these past few weeks for sure!!

 

[shmessy]

hell ya

we really dont have a whole lot of great athletes
but we can always lean on sandy koufax and hank greenberg

and in town the best has prob been gabe kapler (thats kinda sad)
but youk could step it up

btw, is jay cutler jewish?
cuz thats my mom's madein name
which is actually why im a big fan
my first name is jay, and my mom's maiden name is cutler, kinda funny

Kevin Youkilis.