The Negativity In This Town Sucks (And It Stinks)

[raduray]

Now you have the highest rated radio shows jockeyed by smarmy a-holes who go out of their way to create nasty narratives and never ever are positive.

Yet it is, as you noted, the highest rated show. Negativity sells, I guess.

 

[borg]

The Pats aren't going to be good next season.

Year 5 of the rebuild

They probably won't be good the season after that.

Year 6 of the rebuild

It's a long rebuild.

It's already been a long rebuild

I'm seeing threads "The worst situation in the NFL",

Nothing has changed the narrative

"Weaponize the offense?!?!"

Brissett: less than 1 passing TD/start
Gibson: 3 catches 20 yds /game

I think 20 years of being the best (or near the best) broke people's brains.

You posted 47 messages yesterday yet it's everyone else who is broken

Yes, the Pats didn't overpay for mediocre talent.

The Pats did however collect several mediocre to sub mediocre pieces

I almost hate posting this thread but,

No you don't, you love the sound of your own voice (Note "47 message" reference earlier)

 

[Huckleberry1]

Lmao-Bears fans are still under the delusion that the Patriots are going to give #3 up for Fields. Unfortunately some Patriot fans are giving them the that belief, because they would actually do it.

Lance-4th

Jones-6th

Howell-4th

Fields value-4th

 

[Huckleberry1]

The best QB next year will be Sanders. He would be at best the 4th best QB in this class and you’ll need to have 1.1 to get him.

To me this year is the year to take a QB.

I obviously agree completely, and have said that a million times. But IF the Patriots believe Williams is the only franchise QB this draft then I would make the moves I outlined above.

I have been on the take the QB at 3 bus since the last month of the season, it’s the reason I was rooting for them to lose.

 

[slash83]

Agreed. There was a move or two i was a bit frustrated we didn’t make, but they need at least an offseason or two before you can really judge how its going.

I mean For all we know they might be able to fill qb/wr/LT all in the draft

You really think that’s a good idea to bank on the notion you’re gonna hit on 3 premium positions in one single draft? The odds of that happening are slim to none.

 

[FCB02062]

Do you support another team in another sport that's good? I support Liverpool in soccer who is doing really well at the moment so that helps to take the attention away lol.

I dont understand why people have issues with how other people feel about a team though.

There's a certain group of people on here that just want to bury their head in the sand. This team is in a bad way. But instead of being pissed off at the team for lack of competitiveness this group of Patsfans posters directs their ire at their fellow fans who happen to voice their dissatisfaction with the team. I hope the farting rainbows and burping ice cream is strapped in for the next few seasons of suck.
Think about it, as long as Josh Allen is in Buffalo the Patriots are, much more often than not, playing for a wild card. So to get to the super bowl they are going to have to win at least two games on the road. They will have to travel to some combination of KC, Buffalo, or Baltimore in all likelihood.
The team faced a similar situation coming out of 92 - but they had the #1 pick instead of #3 and they had James Orthwein, not Bob Kraft, had just signed a legendary coach in Bill Parcells. There was a sense of optimism back then, and it was based on past performance of the Great Parcells, who had won two Super Bowls with the New York Football Giants.
The 2024 Patriots - not so much. There are going to have to be some serious happenings around the league for the Pats to be close to a contender in the next few seasons.
Let's compare the NFL landscape in 1993 and the upcoming 2024 season. Back in 93 the AFC was definitely the weaker conference. The NFC was in the midst of winning 13 straight super bowls, most of them blowouts, and all the superpowers rested in the NFC - Washington, Dallas, San Francisco, the NY Football Giants all won multiple Super Bowls during this time period. Now, the best team clearly sits in the AFC and the AFC is the much stronger conference. Also, just based on scheduling it's getting harder to make the playoffs. With 17 games last season, you had FIVE teams with winning records miss the playoffs and two the prior season, and four in 2021. Going back to the last 16 game season, 2020, only ONE team with a winning record missed the tournament, and in 2019 only ONE team missed the postseason with a winning record.
And I support FC Bayern Munchen and have for many years. It's good to have a midweek Champions League football to look forward to after the Pats put up stinker after stinker.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

You really think that’s a good idea to bank on the notion you’re gonna hit on 3 premium positions in one single draft? The odds of that happening are slim to none.

Never said that it was a good idea nor do i expect it. I was and still am banging the trade for a top wr drum harder than anyone. Just saying you cant fully evaluate the job they are doing until we see the results of their work. What if they do knock the draft outta the park..

 

[Steve102]

The best QB next year will be Sanders. He would be at best the 4th best QB in this class and you’ll need to have 1.1 to get him.

To me this year is the year to take a QB.

*Quinn Ewers has entered the chat*

I don’t agree with how far off you think they are; as the defense is really good, and almost all of the old players are gone. But I think they have to make a lot of really good moves to get the offense up to the same level. I agree with you completely on fan reaction. Mayo made a mistake saying they were going to burn cash, he was new and exited, and probably hadn’t been able to look closely at the offensive free agency, cap increase, and tags available. I also think that NE is a hard sell this offseason, but that’s commonplace when you suck. Unfortunately the fan base wants instant everything, and clearly can’t handle taking the time and right approach to building a great team. Now the front office is just going to have to stay the course, tune the fans and media out, and not give in to those who want to make a **** deal with the Bears for their failed QB. However, as much as I oppose that deal right now, if the Patriots don’t believe Daniels or Maye are going to be franchise QB’s, and the Bears go to an actual reasonable return for Fields, which is a 4th or 5th round pick, then I would make that deal, bring Fields. in for a season, decline his option and take the 3rd round compensation for him the following year. Then trade out of 3 to the Vikings for 3 first round picks +. Their 2nd round pick, and take an OT at 11, unless McCarthy is there, then load up at WR OL while slipping T’Vondre Sweat into the mix.

Since they couldn’t get their franchise QB this year, I would then look at trading up to the top of the first round next year.

3 Harrison
34 Nix
68 Best OT available. Fisher or Amegadjie maybe?
103 Stover

I think everyone would sign up for that.

The more I read about Nix the more I like him.

 

[slash83]

Never said that nor do i expect it. I was and still am banging the trade for a top wr drum harder than anyone. Just saying you cant fully evaluate the job they are doing until we see the results of their work.

Yeah if they manage to pull off a trade for a legit stud WR than I’d be fine with them doing nothing until the draft. If they go into the draft needing a LT and a stud WR that’s bad roster management on the GM, especially with how much cap room they’ve still got.

 

[turkeyneck]

The best QB next year will be Sanders. He would be at best the 4th best QB in this class and you’ll need to have 1.1 to get him.

To me this year is the year to take a QB.

I'm keeping an eye on Will Howard if whoever we get this year doesn't catch fire.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Yeah if they manage to pull off a trade for a legit stud WR than I’d be fine with them doing nothing until the draft. If they go into the draft needing a LT and a stud WR that’s bad roster management on the GM, especially with how much cap room they’ve still got.

LT i dunno man, i just don’t see any real solid options there worth investing on. Qb obviously nothing there.

Wr imo is a different story. We should have been in on keenan allen. We should be in on aiyuk/higgins. Maybe even jefferson/aj brown since there were slight rumblings there too. Im not getting my hopes up though.

My best case scenario sees us going into the draft needing qb and LT which would be great.

 

[PatsFan2]

Who's negative??

 

[Wozzy]

New England fans were negative in the midst of the greatest dynasty in football history. There were a large segment of negative nancy's telling us early in the 2014, 2016 and 2018 seasons that those teams had "no talent."

We never had talent... ever... just silly.

Also the Patriots in 2024 aren't facing a "long rebuild," not when they are returning the most players, had the 5th ranked defense last season and brought everybody back, when they have the 3rd overall pick along with all their other picks at the top of the round, not when they have the most cap space in the NFL and only have one side of the ball to fix... fix the offense.

Could it take a long time?

Sure, but it will because they screwed up the draft and the offseason... not because this team was bereft of talent or resources. That's pure excuse making.

 

[palialka]

You really think that’s a good idea to bank on the notion you’re gonna hit on 3 premium positions in one single draft? The odds of that happening are slim to none.

Unfortunately, the issue we’re facing is that no one’s giving away good QBs, LTs or #1 WRs. You might get lucky getting a WR1 via a trade but elite QBs and LTs are Iike gold. No team is moving those pieces.

The most realistic scenario we have in this case is to hit in the draft and develop these guys from within. This probably won’t be accomplished in a single draft. A good draft may get us 2 of the 3, but all 3 is a definite stretch.

As fans, we need to buckle up because this rebuild is going to take 2-3 years.

 

[Bill Lee]

I'm not telling people how to feel but generally, fans of a team are generally positive when they talk about their team. It's usually not the durm and strang you find with Pats fans.

Negativity is a way to relieve stress. Everyone's got stress on them. Young people worry about school, relationships, etc. Mid age people worry about kids, retirement, etc. Older people worry about health. Most everyone worries about money.

Being negative is a way to dump that stress onto someone/something else, and we're no different than anyone else in that regard.

Ha! My wife comes from a big sports crazy family in Cleveland and I can tell you all about their durm and strang about the Browns, going all the way back to Belichick benching Bernie Kosar in favor of Vinnie Testaverde.

Yep.

We were spoiled by twenty years of greatness and have now come back to ground.

I always wonder why such people think greatness lasts forever.

Nothing lasts forever, especially something as fickle as success.

Yet it is, as you noted, the highest rated show. Negativity sells, I guess.

I read some interviews with Felger. He's living with his lovely wife and two daughters in Wellseley and laughing all the way to the bank. It's a bit! He channels his grumpy old man who was a Packers fan and was convinced every single move they made was wrong and that he could do better. People lap it up so he keeps making bank.

You really think that’s a good idea to bank on the notion you’re gonna hit on 3 premium positions in one single draft? The odds of that happening are slim to none.

It doesn't matter in the short term because no matter who we pick people are going to all over the pick. No one will know who's any good for a year or two, yet they'll be sure there was this other guy who would have been a better pick.

 

[Rob0729]

People need to realize that even best case scenario, the Pats are two to three years away from being a contender again. The Pats don't need to make radical changes in this free agency. In fact, they shouldn't because the biggest areas of need for this team (QB, WR, OT) were not really available in free agency and some of the best options will end up being well past their prime by the time this team could be good again. There is a reason why Calvin Ridley got $50 million guaranteed which is insane. He was head and shoulders the best of a bad batch of available free agent WRs.

The good news is that as bad as free agency was to address the Pats' biggest needs, the draft is actually stacked at those positions. The Pats could literally came away with addressing their three biggest needs with impact players who could be starting for the next 10-15 years or longer with some very good scouting, good draft day strategies, and a little luck.

I have been underwhelmed with what the Pats have done thus far, but the offseason is far from over.

 

[203Pat]

For all the whining we heard from Team Bill about the constant Bill vs Brady debate and how it isn't fair it seems Team Bill has no issue making everything Jerod/Kraft vs Bill. They don't want to give the new regime a chance because they're wounded about Bill's firing and take it as a personal offense if someone doesn't hate the free agency approach so far. @One-If-By-Sea 's little temper tantrum meltdown the other day shows you where that group is at. They were mad about any negativity towards Bill as we stumbled our way to 29-38 post-Brady and now they're mad at any positivity directed toward the organization. For all Team Bill's whining about how tRuE FanZ would never root for non-Patriot they sure seem to be rooting against the Patriots now (not that they would ever admit it).

 

[LightSkinSmurf]

I've never been bothered by fans expressing their negative opinions on the team. I've just never been that guy. I think it's part of being a fan. Not every fan Is going to be an optimist and that is okay. Even if I think they are way off base. I like fans like that actually more than the homers that can't handle a negative opinion on the team without crying about it and attacking other fans. *Not saying you're doing this, I'm speaking in general.*

All that being said I do agree that most fans around here seem to lack patience. They need instant gratification at all costs it seems. I talked about this a little even during last season when some people were more concerned about pointless wins over a higher draft pick, but I digress.

I don't want a band-aid fix that will make us a 8-9 9-8 team as our ceiling. I have no interest in being average and I have long accepted we are probably going to suck for awhile. I just ask that we draft well and that we see progress moving in the right direction. This upcoming draft will be huge in determining our near future.

 

[Bill Lee]

Unfortunately, the issue we’re facing is that no one’s giving away good QBs, LTs or #1 WRs. You might get lucky getting a WR1 via a trade but elite QBs and LTs are Iike gold. No team is moving those pieces.

The one thing that is for sure is if a franchise QB, starting LT, or WR #1 does show up in FA you're going to have to pay top dollar to get them.

You're better off going for younger players with upsides rather than established "stars", but the unwashed masses and fantasy followers just know "named players" and get all pissy if they don't see a roster full of them.

The most realistic scenario we have in this case is to hit in the draft and develop these guys from within. This probably won’t be accomplished in a single draft. A good draft may get us 2 of the 3, but all 3 is a definite stretch.

As fans, we need to buckle up because this rebuild is going to take 2-3 years.

Agree. As was suggested above, we have plenty of assets and if we use them wisely we should improve year by year.

Of course, drafting isn't a science, so it could take a lot longer than 2-3 years.

If people want to root for a team that goes after "name players" and pushes in all their chips, they should consider becoming Jete fans.

They could root for Ahole Rogers, have DBs with sexy names like Sauce Gardner, life would be perfect for them.

It'd also be nice for us too if they left.

 

[Real fan 02]

Seriously. The lack of patience and perspective on this board is ridiculous. The Pats aren't going to be good next season. They probably won't be good the season after that. It's a long rebuild. I'm seeing threads "The worst situation in the NFL", "Weaponize the offense?!?!", "Bill vs The New Regime".

I think 20 years of being the best (or near the best) broke people's brains.

Yes, the Pats didn't overpay for mediocre talent. They haven't made any significant trades (yet). What do people not get about what's going on with that Pats? Even BB had a losing season his first year here because he was clearing out the mess of the Carroll years.

I almost hate posting this thread but, as Rick Pitino said all those years ago, the negativity does suck. It's getting ridiculous. Even for this message board and that's saying something. Christ, sports is supposed to be fun and bring people together.

Yeah and you can file this under "I don't care. I can't stand it". I know I'm going to catch flak for this thread or whatever but seriously, people need to get some perspective. The Draft is a month away and next season is probably not going to be great.

I happen to agree with you. Yes of course as a fan I want to see the splash signings. But it didn't happen! The moves are calculated moves. We still have a world class organization. We still have an ownership that has suddenly forgotten how to run a team post Bill. I do like that we retained our key players that sends a huge message to the locker room.

We have a ready -made championship level defense IMO. The offense will be better addition by subtraction. Brissett WIll take care of the ball, and run AVPs offense. We will have an elite level player at WR here between now and the draft I suspect. However I'm still going to root for my team every Sunday as I have the past 30 years.