The Josh Gordon Thread: Pats Officially Acquire Gordon for Fifth-Round Pick

[turkeyneck]

It would be a heroic thing if some Mod would excise all the dating stuff in this thread and put it in a sticky.


Somewhere hard to find...

 

[mosi]

I like how most of the pundits are saying hes going to fail. Everyone was saying Moss was washed up and it was going to be a disaster and he will be a locker room cancer...

That makes me feel like this will work lol

Yeah, but Moss did not have a drug problem. That worries me. He has repeatedly failed to control his addiction.

 

[Pats2000]

Yeah, but Moss did not have a drug problem. That worries me. He has repeatedly failed to control his addiction.

Yeah, but he had other self control issues. Remember he assaulted people and was late to meetings, etc. We just need him to buy in for a year or two

 

[SammyBlueCat]

Some positive feed back:

Patriots receiver Josh Gordon gets backing from former teammates

 

[luuked]

Yeah, but he had other self control issues. Remember he assaulted people and was late to meetings, etc. We just need him to buy in for a year or two

The key point that you are missing is that Moss LOVED football. Ask any of his coaches or people around him, he lived that sport. Gordon in comparison has not shown a fraction of this devotion to the game. We heard of stories where he (and Greg Little) would go into the locker room during practice between offensive sessions to check his phone and send messages instead of hanging with the rest of the team. This is what makes many skeptical if Gordon can do what it takes to stick in a hard environment like NE day in and day out.

Culture is what makes successful teams and Gordon has yet to show that he is compatible with the one that we have in NE.

 

[Coolade2]

I like how most of the pundits are saying hes going to fail. Everyone was saying Moss was washed up and it was going to be a disaster and he will be a locker room cancer...

That makes me feel like this will work lol

Yeah, but Moss did not have a drug problem. That worries me. He has repeatedly failed to control his addiction.

The worst addiction is pundits addicktion to being ****s to improve ratings.

 

[ForThoseAboutToRock]

The key point that you are missing is that Moss LOVED football. Ask any of his coaches or people around him, he lived that sport. Gordon in comparison has not shown a fraction of this devotion to the game. We heard of stories where he (and Greg Little) would go into the locker room during practice between offensive sessions to check his phone and send messages instead of hanging with the rest of the team. This is what makes many skeptical if Gordon can do what it takes to stick in a hard environment like NE day in and day out.

Culture is what makes successful teams and Gordon has yet to show that he is compatible with the one that we have in NE.

I listened to the Tomahawk Podcast and they touched on Gordon in the time between when he was announced as likely to be cut and when he wound up on the Patriots.

Tomahawk Podcast is Joe Thomas & Andre Hawkins - 2 ex-Browns offensive guys. It's worth a listen (the JG stuff is the first segment of their show, so easy to get to).

A few tidbits:

1 - Gordon is an extremely quiet locker room guy. Not vocal at all. Unlikely to be a cancer. Likewise, he would get open and not be the type to scream that he should be getting the ball.

2 - Gordon was as @luuked described him with respect to practice and football generally for a time. Without knowing the JG suspension / substance / rehab timeline perfectly, there came a turning point where JG came back and was very committed, practicing as hard as either had ever seen anyone practice.

3 - Both think JG is a good guy and like him personally, though it took time to get to that point for at least Hawkins.

4 - Both agreed that Dallas would be a good place for him - knowing that Jerry Jones would spare no expense, didn't have any hangups about character-issue guys (Hardy was cited as an example of someone with way, way bigger red flags than Josh), plus being a Cowboy makes you very special in Dallas in a way they guessed might help Josh avoid trouble (or at least being busted?)

5 - Both guys fielded calls from a few teams around the league looking for info.

 

[Ring 6]

Yeah, but he had other self control issues. Remember he assaulted people and was late to meetings, etc. We just need him to buy in for a year or two

When did moss assault people and show up late to meetings

 

[JMC00]

I think he'll see some snaps Sunday night

 

[Pats2000]

The key point that you are missing is that Moss LOVED football. Ask any of his coaches or people around him, he lived that sport. Gordon in comparison has not shown a fraction of this devotion to the game. We heard of stories where he (and Greg Little) would go into the locker room during practice between offensive sessions to check his phone and send messages instead of hanging with the rest of the team. This is what makes many skeptical if Gordon can do what it takes to stick in a hard environment like NE day in and day out.

Culture is what makes successful teams and Gordon has yet to show that he is compatible with the one that we have in NE.

Substance abuse of opiods makes you pretty emotionally numb. He may love football. No one thought Moss loved football when he was in Oakland, losing and watching his career numbers drop.

How many times have you seen employees who love what they do get their motivation crushed by their employer. It's not much different.

 

[Pats2000]

When did moss assault people and show up late to meetings

When he was in Oakland.

 

[ashley]

Doug Kyed‏Verified account @DougKyed 12m12 minutes ago

Belichick acknowledged the Patriots added Josh Gordon and Cyrus Jones. Belichick says they've done as much as they can since they've been here. Belichick says Gordon has worked hard, smart kid.

 

[luuked]

2 - Gordon was as @luuked described him with respect to practice and football generally for a time. Without knowing the JG suspension / substance / rehab timeline perfectly, there came a turning point where JG came back and was very committed, practicing as hard as either had ever seen anyone practice.

The thing is that he has to show he can do this day in and day out for the entire year even when there is a lot of pressure and things get difficult. Can he deal with adversity and keep this up ? Lets find out..

 

[Clonamery]

Doug Kyed‏Verified account @DougKyed 12m12 minutes ago

Belichick acknowledged the Patriots added Josh Gordon and Cyrus Jones. Belichick says they've done as much as they can since they've been here. Belichick says Gordon has worked hard, smart kid.

"We'll see."

 

[Ring 6]

When he was in Oakland.

Please link to stories that he assaulted people.

 

[Kontradiction]

Please link to stories that he assaulted people.

Randy Moss - Wikipedia

On September 24, 2002, in downtown Minneapolis, Minnesota, Moss was driving and was preparing to make an illegal turn. A traffic control officer, noticing what he was about to do, stood in front of his vehicle and ordered him to stop. Eyewitness accounts of the event differ at this point, but Moss did not comply with the officer's order, and she was bumped by his vehicle and fell to the ground. Moss was arrested, and a search of his vehicle revealed a joint amounting to less than a gram of marijuana in his ashtray.[84] Initially charged with felony Suspicion of Assault with a Deadly Weapon and a misdemeanor marijuana possession, Moss spent the night in jail and was released the following morning. Moss pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor traffic violation and was ordered to pay a $1,200 fine and perform 40 hours of community service.[85] While the criminal charges were thus disposed of, the civil lawsuit filed by the traffic control officer brought a substantial penalty fine[86] "in the low to mid six figures". Moss claimed that the joint was not his, and that he had let friends use his car prior to the accident.[87]

 

[Silver Blue&Red]

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I applaud bb’s decision to give Gordon a try. The guy is an amazing athlete when not wasted.

He's a great player when he's wasted.
It's just against the rules.

 

[Silver Blue&Red]

If you guys want to crowd fund $100,000, I’m going to volunteer to handcuff myself to Gordon whenever he’s off the field.

That won't work. We want to keep him sober.

 

[ForThoseAboutToRock]

The thing is that he has to show he can do this day in and day out for the entire year even when there is a lot of pressure and things get difficult. Can he deal with adversity and keep this up ? Lets find out..

Yeah, no doubt that Gordon has a lot to prove and can be assumed to be not dependable until he demonstrates otherwise. I raised the point to show that his teammates observed a change at one point in time.

Obviously the whole injury on Friday before travel for a promo-shoot raises plenty of questions along these same lines.

 

[Bradyking12]

Yes!!! Things are looking good with Gordon, BB says Gordon has worked hard and has picked up a lot.

Bill Belichick on Josh Gordon: ‘He’s picked up a lot’