The current cost of tagging Seymour

[Miguel]

is $9,448,000.

Because as of right now, that is the average of the 5 highest cap hits (not
including workout bonuses) for defensive ends

Jason Taylor $11,339,583
Julius Peppers $11,117,500
Simeon Rice $9,200,000
Bryant Young $7,878,549
Darren Howard $7,700,000

In 2007 $9,447,000.00
In 2008 $11,336,400.00
In 2009 $13,603,700.00
Total of $34,387,100.00

 

[Miguel]

I like to thank Adamjt13 for providing me with the cap numbers.

 

[fgssand]

Man oh man....how are we going to get a deal done with RS? Certainly, tagging him will be an awful situation to have to face next year and maybe even the year after that. To tie up over 10% of the cap could be crippling.

A cap friendly deal that respects RS must be structured. Any ideas on how they will get this done? Or is the prevailing thought that they won't be able to do it and he will move on. This is not an old veteran on the downside of a career and this is not someone looking to break the bank. This is not a situation of overpaying for the player. He only seeks what he is worth as dictated by the fact that he is the best DL in the game and as such, deserves to be paid that way.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

Or is the prevailing thought that they won't be able to do it and he will move on.

He won't move on the way the UFAs did this year. He certainly would be franchised. I doubt we would keep him, though, more likely trading him. The Jets got a #1 for a franchised Abraham. I think we all like Seymour better than Abraham so, worst case, I would expect to get a lowish #1 for him.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

And the current cost of franchising a defensive tackle? Or have they abandoned that possibility?

 

[RPCity]

And the current cost of franchising a defensive tackle? Or have they abandoned that possibility?

That's a very good point. He's a natural DT....but because he plays DE in our system, does that mean he has to go in the books as a DE?

I'm worried it might.

 

[Miguel]

And the current cost of franchising a defensive tackle? Or have they abandoned that possibility?

I happen to think that the Pats will not be able to tag Seymour as a DT if he continues to play the majority of his snaps as a 3-4 end.

 

[363839]

If the Pats do franchise him I would hope they would put his position as DE.
Because if they franchise him as a DT, he WILL move on.
As it was stated here before, he plays end on a 3-4 D and that is what he is.

 

[363839]

I wonder if the NFL would consider establishing a different pay scale for DEs in 3-4 as opposed to DEs in 4-3.
Though, I don't think the Pats would benefit because I get the feeling the former would have more value than the latter.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

I wonder if the NFL would consider establishing a different pay scale for DEs in 3-4 as opposed to DEs in 4-3.

They don't even separate G, T and C on the OL, it's not that well though out unfortunately.

 

[shakadave]

He only seeks what he is worth as dictated by the fact that he is the best DL in the game and as such, deserves to be paid that way.

IMO the best DL in the game deserves to be paid about $7-8m/year, realizing that any more than that seriously detracts from the quality of teammates around him. Up until now Seymour has been a reasonably good team player. Time to see his true colors.... Let's hope they're red, white, blue, and grey!

 

[Miguel]

There are 17 DEs with 200 cap numbers of over $5 million. With Seymour's cap being $4.4 million it is very likely that Seymour's 2006 cap number is not even among the Top 20 at his position. Let's presume that Seymour plays out this season at his current salary. It would mean that he has been paid $19,363,600 over his career, for an average of 3,227,266.67. When there are 9 defensive linemen (Strahan, Jason Taylor, Kearse, Marcellus Wiley, Sapp, Simeon Rice, Gary Walker, Bryant Young, and Kevin Carter) that have made more money in 4 years (2001-2004) than Seymour will have made in 6, there is no doubt in my mind that Seymour has been underpaid.

 

[Miguel]

The Pats are under the cap by 17 to 18 million. Let's say that they give Seymour a $20 million signing bonus. That would take $4 million of that cap space leaving the Pats with 13 to 14 million to address the holes in the team, sign draft picks, sign players 52 and 53, sign a 8-man practice squad, provide an injury replacement reserve, and extend Branch and Samuel. If 13 to 14 million is not enough, then the Pats have bigger problems than I think they do.

 

[Jimke]

The Patriots have a real dilemma with regard to Seymour. After

holding out for a short while last year, he may be a real pain in the neck

this year. Should they sign him regardless of the cost, trade him now if

they can find a buyer, franchise him next year, or release him outright

like Ty Law? One alternative might be to trade Seymour and our #1 pick

to New Orleans. We could then select Mario Williams.

 

[Pats726]

The Patriots have a real dilemma with regard to Seymour. After

holding out for a short while last year, he may be a real pain in the neck

this year. Should they sign him regardless of the cost, trade him now if

they can find a buyer, franchise him next year, or release him outright

like Ty Law? One alternative might be to trade Seymour and our #1 pick

to New Orleans. We could then select Mario Williams.

It is a dilemma...I with Miguel's info..it seems a deal SHOULD be able to be worked out..but is that optimistic given that his first agent basically messed it up??
Or?? There is no doubt he did..so where and how does this get resolved moving forward??

 

[MoLewisrocks]

There are 17 DEs with 200 cap numbers of over $5 million. With Seymour's cap being $4.4 million it is very likely that Seymour's 2006 cap number is not even among the Top 20 at his position. Let's presume that Seymour plays out this season at his current salary. It would mean that he has been paid $19,363,600 over his career, for an average of 3,227,266.67. When there are 9 defensive linemen (Strahan, Jason Taylor, Kearse, Marcellus Wiley, Sapp, Simeon Rice, Gary Walker, Bryant Young, and Kevin Carter) that have made more money in 4 years (2001-2004) than Seymour will have made in 6, there is no doubt in my mind that Seymour has been underpaid.

I guess I'd file that under the nobody ever said it would be fair department. Unless you think we should pay players for past performance or makeup the difference in previous underpayments. That would seem though to remove any incentive on tying up players at club favorable rates. Remember BB is a guy who looks to beat the system where he can. He'll reach/risk a little in the draft to sign a guy who, if he works out, will reward him with substantial production value over cost for 4-5 years. When that plan succeeds there are a lot of underpaid guys on the payroll.

And in Richard's case over the first 5 seasons you'd realistically have to factor in starts (or actually weeks in light of the timing) missed compared to his talent peers. And at this point you might have to factor in what if any impact his TC holdout last season had on BB's value of him as a team leader going forward.

 

[shakadave]

And at this point you might have to factor in what if any impact his TC holdout last season had on BB's value of him as a team leader going forward.

I hadn't thought of it this way, but that's an excellent point! On the one hand, it was an amiable holdout. On the other hand, BB may have said "What the heck kind of pillar is this to build my defense around?" (No on-the-field deficiencies, though!)

 

[mavfan2390]

One alternative might be to trade Seymour and our #1 pick

to New Orleans. We could then select Mario Williams.
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im actually for a trade seymour now before we get nothing for him deal, but why would we throw in our first? the saints want to win now, which is why they got brees, that means that theyd rather have seymour, then an unproven product,

seymour for numero dos (aka marion williams), and stallworth, and courtney watson

another issue i have is how will the other guys deal with it? they already lost mcginest/ givens/ vinateri, could they handle this?